Tomestones.. Again.. for a relic..

[sevendog_]

"They have to respect our time"

In a game that's notorious for having a lengthy grind.

Or was supposed to be that way until people bitched about it lmao.

[Supersnow845]

Are we really in the “well if you want a grind you can just go out and run CT yourself now” phase of the argument

Seriously 14 players will spend more time justifying why they should be rewarded as much for not playing the game as someone who does than they do actually playing the game

[Adeacia]

I don't mind this. I'm so busy with other things now days I don't have time for a super long grind. Not that those grinds were ever fun to begin with.

I finished 2 HW weapons, I started on the SB one but didn't like Eureka so I stopped about 3 or 4 zones in. I did finish my ShB weapon as I didn't mind Bozja. Meaning don't talk to me about not wanting to put in effort.

I did all that before I started doing what I do now which takes up most of my free time. If I wasn't doing that, I'd have the time but still not be looking forward to a super long grind.

[Elkanah]

We gave up an exploratory zone and relic quests for island sanctuary and dead content criterions.

This is what happens when the casual playerbase get a say in the game's endgame content.

Gawddamn casuals! *shakes fist*

[Supersnow845]

Gawddamn casuals! *shakes fist*

Well it certainly ain’t the mid tier playerbase who is happy with a relic for 1500 poetics

[Absimiliard]

Well it certainly ain’t the mid tier playerbase who is happy with a relic for 1500 poetics

Is... is anyone happy with it? Judging by the fallout all over various social media, this seems to be something the lion's share of the playerbase are agreeing on. You don't often see it.

I mean I did, and I certainly remember when the relics didn’t lag as far behind that they were beaten by a garden variety extreme weapon but still don’t remember then actually changing the balance when a tier was still current for anything outside of those old weird optimisation cases around secondary stats and accuracy being a thing to contend with back then but maybe I just didn’t play a class that that was relevant to back then

Point taken though

Oh, yeah, I'm not saying they were used for progression (outside of really slow groups). A lot of people just wanted to pick up their final stage each tier because it did give them a numerical advantage on subsequent clears, even if minor. Sometimes, anyway. Some of the relics did have pretty bad secondaries in ARR, in which case the raid weapon would perform better. SE eventually circumvented this issue by allowing us to choose our own secondaries, but that went out the window when Heavensward ended.

[Iyrnthota]

Well it certainly ain’t the mid tier playerbase who is happy with a relic for 1500 poetics

Potentially a hot take. I don't think player feedback had a significant impact on their decision to make these relic steps tomes only.
I think this was their plan regardless.

[Eve_The_Witch]

So i guess we not getting a proper Relic grind this time because we got Deep Dungeon, aka game mode with 3x less bosses but 3x more trash?

[Erinellza]

But some people cried when we had to grind FATEs and raids for relics, lol. It's impossible to please everyone.

[Kaurhz]

It's pretty cringe to ascribe the acceptance and/or lack thereof to certain groups of people.

Casuals can be happy and/or unhappy with this direction, similarly, 'hardcore' players can either be happy or unhappy about this particular direction. - As far as I am concerned, and as far as I can see there's quite a wide agreement amongst people that aren't entirely satisfied by this direction.

The fact people ascribe this to a certain group of people is beyond nonsense.