Remove Praetorium

[tsuchii]

I was sadly part of that experience when the cutscenes were skippable back in 2017 - Bosses would be killed in the middle of the cutscene I wanted to watch and I wouldn't get to actually *play* the content. I can see via my achievements that I basically took a 2 week break after that miserable experience (Mapping the Realm: Praetorium).



I remember I was absolutely miserable after being told to go watch the cutscenes at the inn. I didn't want to do that as that divorces me from the fights that connect each cutscene.

Whilst I came back, Devs don't want players to quit the game after a negative experience with their game - especially a game that has a subscription model.

I also didn't know what Party Finder was back then (because I hadn't done any content that required Party Finder before, and PF is one of several dozen interaction-heavy menus in this game). There was no way before going into the dungeon beforehand that that would have been better.

Looking back, do I understand why people skipped cutscenes in Duty Finder? Of course, the dungeon was like 40+ minutes with cutscenes, 10-15 minutes if you skip everything, and I don't recall if there was any added loot bonus to the MSQ dungeons like Prae.

Some part of the design had to change.

I am happy that MSQ roulette exists in its current form so new players do not have the same awful experience I had.

I am not happy. There's a reason people complained rewatching a 20minute movie THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY seen. There are alternatives. Put it on solo duty.

[tsuchii]

If it was made a solo?
Wouldn't that fix the problem?

It's already AVAILABLE solo!!!

[tsuchii]

U get a mount...If you dont like it dont help.

We might have different definitions of helping. For me helping isn't being forced to rewatch or idle or afk for a 20min movie I have already seen. I've done a couple thousand of those mentor roulettes and I'd rather teach someone an extreme than do Praetorium.

[Rufalus]

All ARR content could use the same amount of reworking that went into the msq dungeons.

My wishlist would be...
Update mechanics and boss HP in Crystal Tower raids so that interesting things aren't skipped; make it fun and do justice to the FF III originals.

Release a normal mode of Coils of Bahamut, add to the normal raid roulette. Keep the original encounters as a savage version. Rename the existing Second Coil Savage encounters to something else (Minstrel's Ballad: Nael's Madness?)

Keep the current duty support versions of Praetorium and Castrum, make those the only way to play those duties. Remove Main Scenario roulette. The Ultima fight is moved to trial roulette.

Most of the hard mode lv50 primal trials could use some adjustments so they aren't pathetic. It's a bad showing for iconic summons like Ifrit and Ramuh.

[Anvaire]

i mean the thing about these duties is they are in a roulette with good rewards as part and parcel of the roulettes purpose. Previously new players had to either skip or miss the entire duty.

Bottom line is, the duty is optional. If you want the roulette rewards, long duties with cutscenes is the price.

[dspguy]

If you don't like easy content with big rewards... then don't run it. You are being rewarded with all those tomestones and/or experience because of the time it takes to complete. Write down how long the cutscenes are... and during them:

- make coffee
- play with your dog
- do some jumping jacks
- clean a bathroom
- watch a Youtube video
- etc etc

You are not forced to watch the cutscenes. So don't.

[Jojoya]

I am not happy. There's a reason people complained rewatching a 20minute movie THAT THEY HAVE ALREADY seen. There are alternatives. Put it on solo duty.

You are correct, there are alternatives.

Don't queue for MSQ roulette and then you don't have to re-watch the 20 minute movie. There are lots of other options for getting XP and tomestones that you can choose from.

Everyone who keeps arguing that new players should be forced into using Duty Support forgets that MSQ roulette is designed as is specifically for the new player experience. Otherwise, those 3 duties would be rolled into the 50/60/70/80 roulette where they technically have belonged all along.

Is that the outcome you want?

[Amenara]

Except that they don't have to be locked out of it. It could be ENTIRELY removed and exclusive to solo duty. Noone genuinely likes doing Prae. If they tell you, they are lying. It's not content, it's not gaming, it's a waste of time, rewatching cutscenes forced to my face.

It's not screw you, I got mine mentality when there are ALTERNATIVES.

I prefer Prae over the other two to be honest. Sounds like the easy answer is to stop doing MSQ roulette if you feel so strongly about not getting Prae.

[Lotte_Weiss]

The issue here is that, 99 times out of 100, your Praetorium MSQ roulette is 4 people who have already done Praetorium hundreds of times. In that case (the vast majority of instances), it just wastes everyone's time. Maybe they could make the cutscenes skippable only if no player is new to the duty. Everyone already gets extra tomestones if someone is new, so that should be a decent reward for having to wait for the cutscenes.

[Hik3n]

Well for me the problem is, so far there was a reason at least to do it, i got good XP doing it, now it has no good XP reward, you have cutscenes with 4people, when they can make it skippable, and if 1 people didn't skip the video will go on... at least players can have a choose , now you don't get XP, still need to watch the cutscenes and the fights are long, i skip the entire MSQ for my daily duty, because it's not worth doing it at all. I don't even know why there is not a system in place for skip when everyone already did the MSQ... I don't think it's so hard to implement it, and then you have something that works for everyone, for new people and old players too, so the solution is there, but they always do it the most frustrating way ever.