Remove Praetorium

[Stepjam]

Fair enough.

Have to confess that I was unaware that they ever were skippable. That clearly predates my time in the game.

Yep. When it was skippable, new players basically faced a choice. Either watch the cutscenes or play the content. They couldn't do both. And some more veteran players would take it a step farther and kick anyone who chose to watch cutscenes because all they cared about was getting in and getting out. And that's no way to experience the climax of the story you've spent dozens of hours on.

So yeah, they made the cutscenes unskippable, but that made the length of the MSQ dungeons pretty long. About 45 minutes long. But to compensate, they gave those roulettes pretty big EXP returns (like half a level). But then came the endless complaints about how long the dungeons took.

I think we are in the sweet spot with the recent changes. None of them are too long anymore, but they still give good exp.

[KatherineOrnitier]

If it was made a solo?
Wouldn't that fix the problem?

[Arohk]

Yeah, no chance. These cutscenes used to be skippable. New players were "encouraged" to skip,

You can run with NPC's now if you want to watch cutscenes. It f... suck every time you get this in mentor roulett, watch cutscenes for half an hour and not even getting the MSQ roulette rewards or get a lockout for 30 minutes.

[tsuchii]

I would say 23mins is closer, but like 18mins in that is cutscenes. Its still the longest duty in that roulette, but its at least not the 45mins it used to be, where the combat part was effectively non existant.

I only join the dungeon if i need tomes. Or when for leveling im at 59,69,79 etc and already want to reach the next one quickly.

(i still miss the 'how very glib' voice line)

IDK what 23 minute prae are you running but it's at least 30mins normally.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

You can run with NPC's now if you want to watch cutscenes. It f... suck every time you get this in mentor roulett, watch cutscenes for half an hour and not even getting the MSQ roulette rewards or get a lockout for 30 minutes.

U get a mount...If you dont like it dont help.

[DPZ2]

If it was made a solo?
Wouldn't that fix the problem?

I'm sure they considered that. You can already do the two dungeon instances with a Duty Support group. The second half of the Ultima Trial is now a solo instance as well.

The whole thing only needs to be done once. What "problem" is being fixed?

[Frizze]

You can run with NPC's now if you want to watch cutscenes. It f... suck every time you get this in mentor roulett, watch cutscenes for half an hour and not even getting the MSQ roulette rewards or get a lockout for 30 minutes.

Yes. This is the exact attitude that lead them to forcing the cutscenes to be unskippable. "New players can go to the inn if they want to watch cutscenes." That was LITERALLY a common response from the people ruining the new player experience. If anything, i take this reply to mean that the MSQ rewards are too high currently. Do you feel the same way when an extreme trial pops up in Mentor Roulette?

Hot take: Anyone getting a penalty for leaving a matched mentor roulette should be locked out of said roulette until the next weekly reset. Yes, i understand that real life sometimes forces us to suddenly take a break - if it didnt id be saying they should permanently lose access. But a week is enough. They can still directly help people through NN and by joining groups, just no roulette and no achievement credit for the rest of the week.

[Arohk]

Do you feel the same way when an extreme trial pops up in Mentor Roulette?

Actually no, i always ry toclear them, but there are a few that are really difficult to do, nike Niddhog or Sephiroth, i don't think i every cleared them in Mentor roulette.
I also prepared Makro for most of the EX trials i usually getto explain the bosses to new people.
The difference is that EX trials aren't a damn snoozefest where you just have to sit through.

[tsuchii]

Actually no, i always ry toclear them, but there are a few that are really difficult to do, nike Niddhog or Sephiroth, i don't think i every cleared them in Mentor roulette.
I also prepared Makro for most of the EX trials i usually getto explain the bosses to new people.
The difference is that EX trials aren't a damn snoozefest where you just have to sit through.

I am 50 duties away from goddamn horse.

When I don't see a first time bonus, I have left every single Praetorium I get. Most of it, at least. Sometimes, I just give up.

I'd rather teach ARR/HW extremes than sit through Praetorium cutscenes. Hell, even *shudder* Rathalos EX. You will mostly get ARR extremes from free trial players which is easy to teach and rewarding when you get a clear. I agree that Nidhogg, Sophia, Thordan, Ramuh and some others are quite unteachable.

Of course commenter assumes the worst, commenting about completely tangent topic of getting extreme trials when the concern is about Praetorium's forced cutscenes.

[dspguy]

No one is forced to watch those cutscenes. They are forced to play on your screen. The cutscenes have a definitive length. Make yourself a cup of coffee, clean the house, do some exercises, read the news, watch 4-5 minutes of something on Netflix. Whatever.