Remove Praetorium

[tsuchii]

Can we just remove it in the dailies/duties/mentor roulette? Why do people need to suffer this "duty". It's a LONG cutscene, with tiny bits of duty in between. If people want to re-watch/relive Praetorium, they can use the Unending Journey. Noone should be shoved cutscenes to their faces. Let Praetorium in duty support or a solo duty.

If the goal is to help someone with MSQ, why not add a roulette that forces you to come in a dungeon where someone is new to an MSQ trial/dungeon? That's still Main Scenario roulette, technically. Anything is better than getting Praetorium. At least Ultima Weapon trial and Castrum Mediranium only has one cutscenes in between battles.

[Carin-Eri]

If you think about it, the answer isn't really "remove Praetorium" - its 'make the cutscenes within it skippable'.

[UkcsAlias]

If the goal is to help someone with MSQ, why not add a roulette that forces you to come in a dungeon where someone is new to an MSQ trial/dungeon? That's still Main Scenario roulette, technically. Anything is better than getting Praetorium. At least Ultima Weapon trial and Castrum Mediranium only has one cutscenes in between battles.

MSQ roulette was a roulette dedicated towards cutscene heavy msq duties. Prae belongs there. The main issue is that unlike the other 2 duties, its still heavily outbalanced in cutscene vs combat (its not the number of cutscenes, its the time spent in them). This used to be diffirent when castrum also had a cutscene everywhere.

Skipping cutscenes would void the entire use for this duty roulette, since its designed in such way players wouldnt be forced to skip the cutscenes or be complained about. Worse is, if new players would skip these cutscenes, they would actualy also miss out on some story parts that are relevant later on.

Its also only just the 2nd boss in it that realy is a problem as that cutscene is excessively long compared to the others. Personaly i think it would have been better if he already started to talk to you while you are still walking towards him, so a lot of text is already given, so the cutscene itself is reduced. Its not like the walking part faces any difficulty either (especialy compared to castrum, which on that does at least involve a little bit of dodging).

[Jojoya]

Can we just remove it in the dailies/duties/mentor roulette? Why do people need to suffer this "duty". It's a LONG cutscene, with tiny bits of duty in between. If people want to re-watch/relive Praetorium, they can use the Unending Journey. Noone should be shoved cutscenes to their faces. Let Praetorium in duty support or a solo duty.

If the goal is to help someone with MSQ, why not add a roulette that forces you to come in a dungeon where someone is new to an MSQ trial/dungeon? That's still Main Scenario roulette, technically. Anything is better than getting Praetorium. At least Ultima Weapon trial and Castrum Mediranium only has one cutscenes in between battles.

No.

Stop queuing for MSQ roulette if it bothers you that you might get Praetorium.

Mentor roulette exists exactly for the purpose of helping others get their duties completed.

If you think about it, the answer isn't really "remove Praetorium" - its 'make the cutscenes within it skippable'.

No, the answer is "Don't queue for roulettes when you know that duties you dislike have a high chance of being chosen." The bonus for MSQ roulette is so high specifically because of the extra time it takes to get through the cutscenes.

[DPZ2]

Ah. Another "get rid of it because ... cutscenes" thread.

The MSQ Roulette serves two important purposes:

1. It is the quickest method for leveling past 50 for time invested, because the XP is commensurate with the time. You can, for instance, gain almost enough XP as a new level-89 job to allow you to reach level 90. It is much lower at lower levels, but the premise is still the same.

2. It is one of the easiest method for receiving Mog Treasure tomestones, as it grants more of them per instance. Want something that requires 50 tomestones? Run 8 instances of MSQ roulette vs. 16 for those instances that grant 2 or 3 tomestones each.

The real truth is most players don't need to queue for the MSQ Roulette at all. There are plenty of other ways to obtain XP.

[Frizze]

Yeah, no chance. These cutscenes used to be skippable. New players were "encouraged" to skip, and sometimes kicked from groups. If they didnt then the other players in the group would leave them behind, speed-run the dungeon, and they would get stuck going straight from one scene to the next without any actual "dungeon". The "new player friendly" advice on the forums/in NN back then was to do both these dungeons for the first time with a group of friends who were willing to wait with you, let you enjoy the cutscenes, and still participate in the run. There were hundreds(this is not an exaggeration) of threads complaining about the issue. The "fix" that was decided on was to make the cutscenes unskippable and then to up the reward for the roulette until it was high enough that people still qued regularly enough that new players werent forced to wait overly long. They will not go back to the days of skipable scenes and new players having bad experiences in what is supposed to be the climax of the 2.0 story. If you feel the rewards are too low for the time investment the content requires, do not run the content. Full stop. History shows that if people stop queing and their internal metrics show that the time to complete for new players gets excessive then they will boost the rewards again. Everything else is just hot air.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

LMAO it's not even that slow now it takes what 20 mins?

[Neoyoshi]

If you think about it, the answer isn't really "remove Praetorium" - its 'make the cutscenes within it skippable'.

There's a reason those aren't skippable anymore; there was a charm to that past, but it's best left in the past- that dungeon was hugely problematic when the cutscenes were skippable.

[UkcsAlias]

LMAO it's not even that slow now it takes what 20 mins?

I would say 23mins is closer, but like 18mins in that is cutscenes. Its still the longest duty in that roulette, but its at least not the 45mins it used to be, where the combat part was effectively non existant.

I only join the dungeon if i need tomes. Or when for leveling im at 59,69,79 etc and already want to reach the next one quickly.

(i still miss the 'how very glib' voice line)

[Carin-Eri]

There's a reason those aren't skippable anymore; there was a charm to that past, but it's best left in the past- that dungeon was hugely problematic when the cutscenes were skippable.

Fair enough.

Have to confess that I was unaware that they ever were skippable. That clearly predates my time in the game.