The loot for savage raids should be unrestricted after one major patch.

[AwesomeJr44]

Asphodelos took around 7 months for it's loot to be unlocked, and if 6.35 doesn't unlock Abyssos' loot (it probably won't), it'll be even longer for this tier. Why do we have to wait so long to be able to farm out loot from these raids? The devs wait so long to unlock it that by the time they do, said gear is only actually useful for about a month. I'd like to be able to farm out raid gear for my alt jobs, but by the time I actually can, is it even worth doing?

The game is marketed and set up to support playing all jobs on one character, and yet it seems like the devs are not interested in allowing players to actually use that system to its fullest extent. With the way gear currently is, it's actually just better to make an entirely new character if I want to play a different role at a high level of play. If alt characters are meant to be the answer to gearing, why even allow players to have all jobs on one character? If you participate in the game's systems in the way it seems to promote, you'll hit a gear wall where you just don't have the resources to play optimally on roles you haven't been lucky enough to gear yet.

And it's even worse when an ultimate gets involved. If I've only been lucky enough to get gear for a tank, what happens if I want to (or need to) do the new ultimate as a different role? I just can't because I can't access the best gear in the game due to time-gates that shouldn't even be there at that point.

Ideally it would be best to unlock savage raid gear for farming (as well as removing the weekly tomestone limit for tome gear) in the major patch after it's initial release. The prestige of clearing savage early in it's lifespan is gone by then, a new ultimate might demand gear you simply don't have, and some people just wanna farm something they can use for more than a month at most. I just don't see why we need to have loot restricted for so long.

People say that the answer to a content drought is to take a break. So seeing as we seem to find ourselves in one every other patch, why not unlock it early to let people farm out what they want so they can leave for said break? This system seems very similar to housing where it acts as a ball and chain meant to keep you locked here. Perhaps maybe it's time to break that chain.

And no, I don't care if gear isn't 'necessary' outside of ultimate. If gear isn't meant to be desired, then why have any progression system at all?

[ThroatDeep]

But but, if people can farm gear early they will unsub and never come back.

[Atelier-Bagur]

I totally dislike a lot of your takes AwesomeJr. (which am sure you care so much of me saying so) but I will get behind this 100%.

I feel like they should AT THE VERY LEAST experiment with not restricting loot lockouts and test the results with both subs and people's feedback, just like how they tested the waters with releasing savages a week after a patch release. Im certain it'll be more of a net positive for the community because its really true, you should be allowed to gear up other roles much easier.

[kevin_satron]

But but, if people can farm gear early they will unsub and never come back.

This is one the reasons why they keep locking the raid until x.x8 patch

[Aravell]

They really should unlock savage loot during the subsequent major patch. That would give people 2 weeks to grind our whatever they need for ultimate. Especially if the major patch that brings the ultimate also breaks someone's main job in a bad way, that's always a possibility, unlocking loot would allow the affected people to swap to another job within the role quickly to avoid any potential issues during ultimate prog.

I don't really understand people who try and argue that gear isn't needed outside of savage/ultimate either. If the gear is that pointless, then just unlock it and let people grind it if they really want it.

[Duskane]

honestly its just unlocked too late for anyone to care because new tier is around the corner,
it should be unlocked with the Ultimate.

[Katt_Felista]

How Will SE keep feeding their many privileged streamer friend gaslighter rmt professionnal trolls shiddying savages, extreme for mounts and ultimate prog in the game to feed their most dedicated harrassment nerds if they ever do this ?

Pretty sure they could also do Trusts for savage as in, you only succeed the raid if you did everything right for your job against the boss, but they would probably never even try that, it would mean not hindering your fast problem solving skills and depending on their rmt grifters to artificially extend the difficulty of prog on the party finder. Where Battlefield or Call of duty / activision are using bots that degrades ur gameplay experience until you pay for more weapons / skins, FFXIV has legions of rmt troll 50 cents armies doing their best to render your experience as hellish as possible to sell runs.

All in all a formidable eco system feeding on itself, as illustrated by people feeling the need to offer upto 10's of millions of gils to get clears, isn't it strange that it is now the only moment the "community" gather to a party to "help" anyone when they are paid and offered stupid amounts of gils ? It used to be that even savages where joined just to help clear even for just 1 book, now, we have everything requiring stupid amount of gils to get the usual rmt trolls showing up their face in your party right away. This mentality is more and more prevalent in the game these 2.5 past years after the "new pr twitch" and media campaign SE launched itself in collab with a lot of well known streamers , and we saw their caravan of rmt trolls coming in and pollute the game from, finding honest prog parties 50/50 between the trollish rmt ones in it, to a mere 10 to 15% of savage / extreme prog parties being honest and legitimate.

It's not only my feeling tho, i'm talking about this every now and then with other old timers in this game and they see the same exact thing that i see happening in the party finder. Anyone with more then 4 to 5 years of experience on the party finder of this game as saw a drastic change / difference of purposefull harassment and "trapping" of parties in the pfinder. Did it exist before ? yes. Dit it exist to the extent we see it nowadays ? No. Not even close to how bad it is now.

Until there is a major change in mentality from SE itself (no hope on this front with the newer team and where the mentality is headed, seeing myself a huge change in the motives and perspective for this game "financially" wise.) They are not going to hurt the feels of many streamers and gm's being themselves embroiled in these side advantages schemes for the "job". (as shown too that gm's and streamer and their streamer friends get "distributed" codes of items that are fraudulently non paid with stolen credit card that get refunded later on) There is a corruption problem top to bottom in the western community and it just feed itself onto more corruption and friend to friend to friend layers and ladders of small advantages working also in conjunction of parasocial profiteering-only ecosystems relationships.

[Saraide]

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"Am I just too toxic for people to want to engage with me? No, it's the kids who are wrong"

Is ERC not giving you enough attention anymore? People help others clear for the sake of it all the time. You are just too hostile for anyone to give you their time of day.

[ForteNightshade]

This is one the reasons why they keep locking the raid until x.x8 patch

The irony is due to Covid, Eden's Promise was unlocked for several months... and PF was arguably the most active it has ever been. People went back in and farmed literally for nothing. They just wanted to practice other jobs at the Savage level.

How Will SE keep feeding their many privileged streamer friend gaslighter rmt professionnal trolls shiddying savages, extreme for mounts and ultimate prog in the game to feed their most dedicated harrassment nerds if they ever do this ?

You do realize those "privileged streamers" are the ones asking for Savage to be unlocked earlier, yes?

Plenty of people do help others clear without a gil incentive. You see c41s up constantly throughout the week. Mercenary runs are for people who want everyone to pass on the loot for them. You aren't paying for the clear, you're paying for the coffers.

[VerdeLuck]

It should be unlocked when the Ultimate comes out, to let people easily farm their Ultimate BiS, more things shoud give Savage ilvl equivalent as well to let people catch up in gear to let people still play in PFs since the minimum acceptable ilvl in PF keeps going up as the patches go on, even when it really doesn't matter.
Let everyone catch up easily to the Savage item level on odd patches, unlock Savage loot, Unlock Alliance Raid loot faster, make tomes easier to get.

Counter to what people say about needing people to stay subbed longer to grind out gear, I feel more bored and less likely to keep playing when I can only gear 1-2 roles and play those in endgame content. If I could gear every role and play to try them in endgame, I'd play for a lot longer.
There's also the case that happens pretty frequently where I'd love to do some PF content but the only slots available are for roles I don't have geared enough to meet the minimum ilvl, so I just pass and don't play. If I could actually have those all geared up enough to participate in Extremes or Savages, I'd swap over to Melee or Tank to try those out and play for a lot longer.