AST - Making an Easy Healer

[Renathras]

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"boring" is a subjective term, not an objective one. So yes, that would be subjective, but not objective.

Also, as discussed in the "Healers Then And Now" thread, which I know you at least have looked at, WHM has the LEAST 11111 rotation out of all of the Healers. SCH uses Broil and AST Malific more than WHM uses Glare in a given fight, ENTIRELY because WHM uses Lilies which are GCDs, breaking up that spam. SCH in theory has Ruin 2, but isn't often pressed to use it. AST has no other GCD attacks besides Malific/Combust/Gravity. It is actually the 11111 Healer, not WHM. Also, as far as I can tell, SGE uses more or less the same number of Dosis as WHM uses Glare, or slightly less.

That is, you may complain that all the Healers are having this issue, but OBJECTIVELY, both considering CDs and looking at actual logs, WHM is the LEAST at it.

Those are objective statements. WHM uses the least Glarespam of all the Healers' Nukespams, WHM has the most non-nuke commonly used GCDs (that is, GCDs WHMs routinely have in their rotation which are NOT their nukespam are more than their three peers), and this is both true based on CDs (Lilies have a shorter CD than Plegma added to Pneuma) and general use (Ruin 2 is rarely used outside of movement since Broil IV can weave; Toxicon in practice isn't used enough for SGE to make up the deficit in Plegma+Pneuma vs Lilies). Those are objective statements, not subjective opinions.

Also:

You hate it when people say you aren't a "real healer". It's well passed time you stop calling people "Sylphie".

Not everyone likes what you do. Guess what? That's life. Calling people Sylphie and not accepting that isn't you being better than them, it's immaturity.

What should be done about it would be a subjective position, but those statements themselves are factual. "it's boring" is not. A lot of people consider things like reading boring or practicing music. Clearly such feelings are not universal nor are they objective.

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I understand the desire, which is why I'm a proponent of changing some - just not ALL - of the Healers to have a more complex downtime rotation so that people that WANT ONE have the option to engage in one, and people that DO NOT have the option not to.

Though I disagree that more healing would backfire. More healing was done in the past in an era of the game that people now saying we can't have more healing enjoyed. Moreover, casual players already see healing that way, and in some cases are right - the 81 and 83 dungeons in EW were healing intensive vs the kits and ilevel people had doing them. Further, it's hardly an impossible ask. They did it in P5-8S. And the people complaining that Healing is too easy complained that Healing is too hard. Which begs the question.......

If anyone read beyond "note for the dense" then that's time in your life that sadly will never be recovered. Fortunately I don't believe the developers will actually have this forwarded to them.

(Clearly from someone who didn't read the note itself, because if she had, she wouldn't have posted this. Shhhh...don't tell her.)

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Another day, another thinly veiled 'you think you know what is best for healers but actually it is I who knows best' thread

If anything this thread was for Ty, not you.

Further: Better than passive aggressive, smug insults.

A DPS class that had a trait that said 'your autoattack potency is multiplied by 10' with no actual actions would 'work'. It'd also be boring beyond belief to play, if 'just autoattacking' can even be considered 'playing the game'.

Yes, because autoattacking, unlike applying DoTs, using CDs, weaving oGCDs, and swapping between attack and healing spells on the fly to keep your party going in a dynamic environment is quite different than right clicking the boss and going to get a sandwich.

...also, still subjective statement. Though one more universal.

We don't talk about what 'works' or doesn't, because if it doesn't 'work' it doesn't even reach the live game.

Stormblood.
Lilies.

gg

What we talk about is what is 'fun' to us,

YES, you do.

And not once have I told you you were WRONG. (About what YOU find fun - I've only told you your views are not UNIVERSAL.)

NOT.

Once.

Not once have I told you that you don't know what you find fun.

Not once have I told you no one agrees with you in what you find fun.

Not once have I said people like you aren't welcome in the game or have no place in it.

Not once have I accused you of wanting carries, being a "Sylphie", or that your opinions are invalid.

I've said, many many MANY MANY MANY MANY times that I want the game to have Healers FOR YOU that do match the things YOU WANT so that YOU can play FFXIV on a Healer Job YOU ENJOY and BE HAPPY playing so while feeling accepted and part of the game and its community - something that literally none of you arguing from your side have EVER said in kind to me. NEVER. Not ONCE have any of you said so. The closest is Ty, who doesn't understand what he's saying isn't what I am, but I'll at least recognize the effort.

AND NOT ONCE:

Have I ever said "I know what is best and you don't".

EVER.

YOU have said that TO ME, but not the other way around.

What's tiresome is the constant antagonism, passive aggressive posturing, and incessant attacks. I actually try to have original thoughts, propose different solution, introduce different ways of thinking about the problems we have and analyzing them. Things to grant different perspective or - as in the case of this thread - just a random thought that I considered might be an interesting thought experiment. Your dubious attempt at reading my mind has failed you, because I had no other intent with this thread.

I thought we were getting somewhere, finding consensus on some things. Instead we're back to the adversarial vibes

BECAUSE OF YOU.

Because of posts LIKE THIS. Bask in your 4 likes all you want, it's post like this that are adversarial.

"another thinly veiled", "I who knows best", "tries to tell us that you know what is best and we don't", "getting tiresome" <- THAT is what adversarial vibes look like.

Not "Hey, let's try a thought experiment of what AST would have to be changed to to be the easy/simple Healer, as someone (Ty, honestly) semi-suggested as a possible resolution".

Yeh, current WHM would fit if it were backported to previous expansions. That doesn't tell me that WHM is good right now. It just tells me that however bad it is atm, it was worse before.

This makes literally no sense with your own stated viewpoint, which is that WHM was at the height of its game in HW, and SB was a step down but still better than what we have today. It's actually incompatible entirely with that view. Either that would make your view incorrect, or it would make your assessment here incorrect... <_<

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We WERE getting somewhere.

We WERE finding consensus on some things.

That didn't change.

What changed is I posted a thread YOU DECIDED was an attack when it was not, and YOU decided to lash out instead of...not lashing out. And look at us now! Thoroughly in a tizzy because YOU decided to make an unprovoked attack. AGAIN. <_<