FFXVI only PS5?

[Y2K21]

You kept side stepping the reason lol. Sure, anyone with two braincells put together will know more platforms = more sale, so I don't think you have to keep stating the obvious.

Sure, but we also dont have any confirmation of a PC port coming also.

But, less early sell =/= permanent loss sale.

Nor that I am saying it is - the thing I was point out is that the company mostly focused on week one sales for internal report (you can literally read this in most reports given by SE) by having an exclusive deal to port the game only on PS5. A console notorious for having supply issue for consumers to buy.

I think the louder someone are about this issue, the clearer it shows how strong your desire to play the game. Like ... I don't believe they will lose your sale, they either get your money now, or they get your money 1-2 years later when the port come out. If you tell me you gonna "boycott" the game unless you get it now ... yeah right, I gonna call you bluff for it.

What are you even talking about at this point?

The only difference it will make to SE is the extra support and money they get for free from Sony. I know it's hard to swallow the truth you don't want, but they're just making smart business decision, no amount of salt from other platform gonna change that fact.

We will have to see ultimately - especially since this game has been in development since 2015 and has been delayed multiple times already if the exclusivity deal money is able to accrue the development costs.

[Raven2014]

Sure, but we also dont have any confirmation of a PC port coming also.

Considered Yoshi accidentally let it slip, pretty sure it will happen. And if it's not? Only difference is I'll be waiting for another 3-4 years instead of 1-2 years. I do plan to get a PS5 eventually, usually at the end of its life or when the PS6 come out.

What are you even talking about at this point?

The point is they probably don't lose any sale in the long run due to the time exclusive. The people who want to play it will buy it, either now on the PS5 or years later on the PC. It's a final fantasy game, it has lasting and staying power unlike random game X that will just fade away after a while.

We will have to see ultimately - especially since this game has been in development since 2015 and has been delayed multiple times already if the exclusivity deal money is able to accrue the development costs.

Eh ... see what? The exclusive deal money is always there, regardless of the cost, that's guarantee "extra" money. I don't know why you phrase it as something to "cover" the cost? Also, if the cost already overran, multi-platform development just gonna add more on top of it. I don't see how this is relevant to the current point of contest.

[Y2K21]

Considered Yoshi accidentally let it slip, pretty sure it will happen. And if it's not? Only difference is I'll be waiting for another 3-4 years instead of 1-2 years. I do plan to get a PS5 eventually, usually at the end of its life or when the PS6 come out.

Considering that he has also said that "he has not heard anything about a PC version" and to "just buy a PS5" in an interview back in Janaury - its gonna be a bit hard to know when it is coming. If we go by FF7R - it could take a 1+ after exclusivity (not counting the state on release either, FF7RI was not a good port at first).

The point is they probably don't lose any sale in the long run due to the time exclusive. The people who want to play it will buy it, either now on the PS5 or years later on the PC. It's a final fantasy game, it has lasting and staying power unlike random game X that will just fade away after a while.

I dont think we can accurately say this without also looking at FF15 as a counterpoint.

Eh ... see what? The exclusive deal money is always there, regardless of the cost, that's guarantee "extra" money. I don't know why you phrase it as something to "cover" the cost? Also, if the cost already overran, multi-platform development just gonna add more on top of it. I don't see how this is relevant to the current point of contest.

By that logic then, perhaps not selling it on a very exclusive console by supply standards is the best method to recoup especially if they have overran costs.

I just have a high sense of questionability over modern FF releases - simply because the last two have been bungled pretty badly. Not only that, SE also has a great many of games underperforming in the past few years. SE has put all of the eggs in the FF16 basket and they need the win, I just dont see how the PS5 exclusivity does that.

[Raven2014]

I dont think we can accurately say this without also looking at FF15 as a counterpoint.

Ok, sure, bring it up, give me some #, I'm waiting. Don't just drop a talking about.

Not only that, SE also has a great many of games underperforming in the past few years. SE has put all of the eggs in the FF16 basket and they need the win, I just dont see how the PS5 exclusivity does that.

You ... kinda argue against yourself here. That's exactly the reason why it's a safe bet to believe this will be only a time exclusive, not a permanent exclusive. They're getting the exclusive money from Sony now, and the PC money later.

You can't have a cake and eat it too, but if you can have a cake and also eat it ... why not?

[Y2K21]

You ... kinda argue against yourself here. That's exactly the reason why it's a safe bet to believe this will be only a time exclusive, not a permanent exclusive. They're getting the exclusive money from Sony now, and the PC money later.

Its a question of when - the PC version isnt going to be right away available at the end of the 6 month deal. If we go by more recent examples where FF7R didnt even come to PC (its not even on Xbox yet) until a year + later then that is quite the time.

Heck, FF15 didnt even come to PC until almost 2 years later.

The problem is always going to be - the company is hedging their bets that the game will sell very well on PS5. The console has had supply issues since 2020. On top of that, PS5 doesnt even have a lot of current exclusives that are worth the $500 investment - so realistically you are putting up a $500 barrier for entry for peeople who have been playing FF games on PS4 and PC.

There is just a lot of factors, and with SE's current history - I am very skeptical.

Ok, sure, bring it up, give me some #, I'm waiting. Don't just drop a talking about.

The game literally was stuck in dev hell for 10 years, lost millions of dollars because of it, had its DLC cancelled, and the director literally quit the company.

Do people unironically still think 15 is viewed as a success lol?

[Raven2014]

Its a question of when - the PC version isnt going to be right away available at the end of the 6 month deal. If we go by more recent examples where FF7R didnt even come to PC (its not even on Xbox yet) until a year + later then that is quite the time.

And only thing relevant is to the people who want play the game ASAP. I don't see how this relevant to the commercial aspect at all. 6 Months, 1year, 2year is a moot point if the sale # don't change. Like I said, either you give SE $60-$70 now, or you give it to them 6 months, a year or 2 later.

The problem is always going to be - the company is hedging their bets that the game will sell very well on PS5. The console has had supply issues since 2020.

Not any more. I can order one from Amazon right now and have it at my door by tomorrow. Bringing up 2+ years old point as if it's still currently relevant does not help your argument, it weaken it.

On top of that, PS5 doesnt even have a lot of current exclusives that are worth the $500 investment - so realistically you are putting up a $500 barrier for entry for peeople who have been playing FF games on PS4 and PC.

And it sucks for those players, yes - myself included. But from a commercial standpoint it's completely irrelevant. I can't give SE the money now 'cause I don't have a PS5. But I'll give it to SE in a year or two when it comes on the PC, or I'll give it to them 4 years later when I finally get the PS5.

Like, don't get me wrong, I do want to player early and I do want it on the PC. But I don't conflate or window-dressing my desire with irrelevant point.

The game literally was stuck in dev hell for 10 years ...

How is this at all related to what we're talking about!?!? You keep bring up the long development time as an issue, yet asking for the exact one thing that would make it worse. There is a reason why games tend to come out on console first than PC later, and for really demanding games that come out of the same time the performance on the PC tend to be shit comparing to their console counterpart.

The console at least have a consistent architecture for a long time, and you have the console maker at your single point of contact for support. The PC architect not only varied, but also change at a much faster pace. You also need the support from multiple companies (intel, AMD, NVDIA) if you want the same support from a console makers, assuming they even give it.

So again, if long developing time is a problem to you, why the heck you want SE to do something that will make it significantly more complex and longer!?

[Raven2014]

And this one deserve its own reply

... , lost millions of dollars because of it, had its DLC cancelled, and the director literally quit the company.

Do people unironically still think 15 is viewed as a success lol?

This is why you talk with fact, not feel. I had a feeling you're talking solely on the latter, hence why I asked you to throw number at me which as expected, you side stepped again with whataboutism.

So here, I do the work for you:

FFXV made back all the development cost on day 1

What was "disappointing" about it is it wasn't as big as SE had hoped for given its long development time, but Japanese companies tend to have that issue. Decade ago I remember seeing Bamco's CEO said games has to be sold at least 1mil copies to be considered "success". And most people was like "is this guy on crack? The kind of game he publisher would be lucky to break 500,000 copies".

I have seen "people" talking a lot about how FFXV lose SE's money, but just like you, anytime they are contested and asked for citation they always side step the issue with whataboutism. The only failure of FFXV is the fact it wasn't as big as SE hoped for. But it's one of the best selling main series (10mil+ copies) and also one of the best selling game on the playstation platform.


FFVII-remade had also reached half of that mile stone before it went multi-platform, and THAT one you can blame on the PS5 early shortage. But sure, it's a disappointment. You know why? Because people are like "given how popular the original FF7 is it should have sale 15mil copies"!

[Y2K21]

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This article you link doesnt really say anything to contradict my point, literally the only plot point of talking about how Square made its money back is only the title, my dude. It gives Q3 slidepoint numbers and doesnt really share much on what profit point was breakeven - I am not arguing that FF15 didnt sell well - I am arguing if it was deemed a failure. Lets look at some facts:

1) Tabata has gone on record stating that for FF15 needing to be a success - it had to sell 10 million copies on breaking even on production. SE had to officially walk this back as Tabata was stating internal goals instead - which is a completely different statement than what was originally said: https://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...reak-even.aspx

2) FF15 has been in start-stop production all the way back since 2006 under Nomura as FFVersus13 - and also needed development time for the Luminous Engine (as this would be the only game at the time to use this engine). That is two areas of development that were funded under tthis team that need to be taken into account.

3) Luminous Productions outright caused the company to go in the hole by $33 million in 2018: https://www.gamesindustry.biz/square...o-shifts-focus

4) Because of the massive loss to at the end of 2018 - Square Enix announced the cancellation of FF14's remaining DLC slated to release for April 2019. Please do note that these articles happen in tandem: https://www.gematsu.com/2018/11/fina...ctis-cancelled

5) Not only that, but because Luminous was implicated as the cause of the loss and the cut DLC; the head director of Luminous Studios and the head of FF15 leaves the company - https://www.gosunoob.com/final-fanta...s-square-enix/

[hagare]

Sure, but we also dont have any confirmation of a PC port coming also.

you don't have a DATE confirmation. There's a difference.
You do however have a confirmation that they will release the best possible PC port they can possibly release.
Hence the no date confirmation

[Absimiliard]

best possible PC port they can possibly release.

If SE's more recent work is any indication... well, let's just say best is a very subjective term.