FFXVI only PS5?

[Hafu]

Yeah Ive stated this before, anyone can buy a PS5 now and Ive already purchased mines last year for this game along with transferring all of my PS4 stuff into PS5. Btw do people know that FFXIV PS5 actually runs smoother than some PCs even in PvP content? Now unless you have a beefy setup, I found that the console version of this game runs at a constant 60fps or at least smooth enough where a couple of frame dips arent noticable at least to me. Also the fact that loading between zones is much quicker has me stunned.

Anyway that was off topic but just wanted to point out based on somebody saying that consoles should not exist anymore.

Some people's takes on how PC compares to consoles at this point isn't really based on what the hardware is like for the price point, but sentimentality.

What's in the PS5 runs in circles around PCs unless you're spending in the range of 1500-2000+ on hardware, and that shuts out an absolute ton of people from having a comparable experience on PC.

[NanaWiloh]

Lmao se would never sell to western company and jp government would never allow It

Lol Oh ya, the US and Japanese governments would shoot that deal dead without a second thought. Especially if MS successful in buying activision-blizzard.

[Raikai]

I don't mind waiting for the eventual PC port... Look at FFXV, for example. By the time it came to PC the game was in a much better state.

Slight offtopic but I'm pretty sure when the PC port releases, XVI and XIV will certainly have a collab, given it's Yoshi-P in both titles.

[hagare]

I don't mind waiting for the eventual PC port... Look at FFXV, for example. By the time it came to PC the game was in a much better state.

Slight offtopic but I'm pretty sure when the PC port releases, XVI and XIV will certainly have a collab, given it's Yoshi-P in both titles.

[Meowdyj]

Console exclusives have been a thing since consoles came to be. Sure there have been ports here and there but this has always been a thing. You wont see a Mario game being played on Sony or Xbox console. While I agree that in a perfect world, we should all be able to play every single game on one platform, its so dumb how you guys are acting as if this is some new trend.

So what? Even if it's always been a thing doesn't change the fact it's an outdated monstrosity. Early consoles weren't able to port games due architecture. It's 2023 however, they are able to release on any platorm yet chose not to.

[RitsukoSonoda]

So what? Even if it's always been a thing doesn't change the fact it's an outdated monstrosity. Early consoles weren't able to port games due architecture. It's 2023 however, they are able to release on any platorm yet chose not to.

They still have different coding. Games on early consoles were few MB in size. Nowadays we have monstrosities being released that are over 100GB (I think Ark can actually top 400GB if you have everything for it). That is alot of data to port over to a different platform. Developers nearly always do the initial development on 1 platform even on titles that release on multiple on launch day. It simply means they ported it to other platforms as part of the development cycle and is the reason we've seen a number of titles that released like that run better on 1 platform over others.

[Raven2014]

So what? Even if it's always been a thing doesn't change the fact it's an outdated monstrosity.

They get nothing from Sony save some up front money from these industry-destroying exclusivity deals and some random games on PSN that don't sell anywhere near as well as they do on Steam.

Because you said so?

Like ... these days I'm definitely one of those PCmaster race dude, but I still find it hilarious the language some of you are using. Do you think including these "soul-crushing-monstrosity-words" into your sentence will lend them weight or something? Industry destroying? Like ... yo, I don't know how long you've been gaming, but let me tell you as someone who have been gaming since the mid 90': the industry have been getting stronger every year. And it's not even a linear, but more like exponential growth. If after almost 30 years and there still no sight of the industry being destroyed you mentioned, maybe it's time to re-evaluate your evaluation? Or you just really want to play a false prophet?


Seriously, just be honest and say you just want everything on one platform to save yourself some money, that's all there is to it, that's the real and only reason. Not because you care about the state of the industry or whatever grandstanding reason you are window-dressing your argument. Like ... it's not even a bad thing so why pretend? It's normal for all of us to have more while paying less, myself included.

[Absimiliard]

Because you said so?

Like ... these days I'm definitely one of those PCmaster race dude, but I still find it hilarious the language some of you are using. Do you think including these "soul-crushing-monstrosity-words" into your sentence will lend them weight or something? Industry destroying? Like ... yo, I don't know how long you've been gaming, but let me tell you as someone who have been gaming since the mid 90': the industry have been getting stronger every year. And it's not even a linear, but more like exponential growth. If after almost 30 years and there still no sight of the industry being destroyed you mentioned, maybe it's time to re-evaluate your evaluation? Or you just really want to play a false prophet?


Seriously, just be honest and say you just want everything on one platform to save yourself some money, that's all there is to it, that's the real and only reason. Not because you care about the state of the industry or whatever grandstanding reason you are window-dressing your argument. Like ... it's not even a bad thing so why pretend? It's normal for all of us to have more while paying less, myself included.

I've been gaming since before most of the players on FFXIV were even born. You missed the first game crash, which occurred around 83 and lasted until 85. The crash almost did destroy the industry. It was caused by a combination of over-saturation and the shady business practices of several (then) leading companies. Exclusivity is as old as the industry itself, but it is well known to be harmful - it always has been. It was largely unavoidable in the old days given hardware differences, of course.

Gaming companies are now far larger than they were before, boasting greater reach and much deeper pockets than at any point prior. Society as a whole is also more connected than ever before; entire communities exist online, and friend groups spiderweb out through the world in ways we could never even have conceived of even twenty years ago. Companies like Sony and Microsoft like to abuse this reach to the fullest extent possible, and gamers are the ones that pay for it. Exclusiviity deals are just one of several things holding back smaller companies that might like to get a leg up in the industry. Without fresh blood, you get stagnation. We saw stagnation in the 80s, and we're seeing it again now. We're also seeing a lot of larger companies going out of their way to snuff out smaller ones, oft times through underhanded means, before they have the chance to get anywhere.

I've no need to reevaluate anything. Economists have been predicting another game crash for a while now, and much of what they've predicted would happen leading up to it has already come to pass. It may be next year, it may be a decade from now, but there very little chance the gaming industry won't experience another crash. And yes, exclusivity deals are a contributing factor.

The above aside, I must ask, why are you so often disingenuous in your posts? You frequently go out of your way to imply malice and/or dishonesty where there is none simply because you happen to disagree with a poster. Is it a lack of confidence in the merit of your own posts, or do you just genuinely believe everyone you disagree with is acting in bad faith?

Oh, and for the record, I already own nearly every console released in the last 45 or so years. Yes, including a PS5. I do care about the industry, because it's this industry that keeps a roof over my head. Another game crash means I either go hungry or find a new line of work, and I'd prefer neither of those.

[Raven2014]

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I fail to see if this has anything to do with the point you're saying at all. And you made it sound like the PC space doesn't share similar issue.The shenanigan with the GPU on the PC market that had lasted for 3 years, and still have shown a sign of correcting itself is making console a lot more attractive option ATM. I put together a brand new PC last year, and still running a 6 years old card because it replacement will cost as much as the PS5 itself even without being the latest option.

I've no need to reevaluate anything. Economists have been predicting another game crash for a while now, and much of what they've predicted would happen leading up to it has already come to pass. It may be next year, it may be a decade from now, but there very little chance the gaming industry won't experience another crash. And yes, exclusivity deals are a contributing factor.

Like ... if it happens, then everything is a contributing factor. Whether it's actually the factor or not is everyone guess. That's the whole concept behind "false prophet". Like people who keep complaining and predicting FF14 will eventually fail are not wrong, because it probably will, nothing last forever. Could be in 5 years, or 10 years, but that doesn't mean the false prophet is right.

The above aside, I must ask, why are you so often disingenuous in your posts? You frequently go out of your way to imply malice and/or dishonesty where there is none simply because you happen to disagree with a poster. Is it a lack of confidence in the merit of your own posts, or do you just genuinely believe everyone you disagree with is acting in bad faith?

Being on a forum where every other complain is coupled with the usual "if SE don't listen to me then it's certainly doom" can do that for you. Hyperbolic statement just trigger me. Also, did you miss the very last part of the post where I said "including myself"? So let strike a deal: you stop using hyperbolic grand statements, and I'll stop poking at you for it, deal?

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Btw, the last 30 has always been filled with constant hyperbolic assumption.

- At the peak of the console popularity (PS2/Xbox 1 and early 360 era + Wii) people claimed PC gaming was numbered. Remember those day when you go to gamestop and 90% of the estate are console game with some deformed PC box share a lonely sad corner? Then Steam happened.

- In the hayday of WoW, everyone wanted their own slice. Many SP developers jumped ship including some of the most famous one like Bioware, Bethesa and even Square. Again, people were herald the day of single player was limited because everything is MP driven. And really, after the majority of those projects fail, these days single player option are still as strong as it ever was, if not even stronger.


The point here is you're literally contradicting yourself in your 2nd paragraph. It's because the market is so vast right now that many company won't live or die with after one failure. And any attempt to create a hole that can destabilize the market will eventually be plugged by competitors and there is nothing you can do about it, regardless of how big you are. Competition and diversity is not an "industrial-destroyer", it's what make the market healthy. And competition means company will try to one up each others, time exclusive is just one of way to do that.

And it's exactly because the market is so strong today that you know most time exclusive is just that, time exclusive. In the end, good thing comes to those who wait, better thing even.

[Absimiliard]

Being on a forum where every other complain is coupled with the usual "if SE don't listen to me then it's certainly doom" can do that for you. Hyperbolic statement just trigger me. Also, did you miss the very last part of the post where I said "including myself"? So let strike a deal: you stop using hyperbolic grand statements, and I'll stop poking at you for it, deal?

Except nothing I said was hyperbolic or an assumption. I meant exactly what I said as I said it. You may claim it's hyperbolic if you wish, but that does not alter my own intent in the least. As I said before, I in fact have a vested interest in the gaming industry. It is my source of stability.

So, allow me to reiterate one more time, noting there is no hyperbole at play: timed exclusives are bad for the industry. This isn't exactly a new and shocking concept, given how many economists, gaming companies, and even governments have been and will continue saying the same thing for who knows how long. It is far from the only poor business practice currently widely employed, and it's not going to cause any kind of market crash by itself. Lots of things go into making a market crash. No market, no matter how large or strong, is immune to experiencing a crash. And no, you don't need a global catastrophe for this to occur.

Now, if you wish to question my use of the phrase "industry-destroying," that had no hyperbolic intent either. I firmly believe there will be long term consequences from the continued use of predatory exclusivity practices. There are ways to go about it that work, that I won't try to dispute, but the majority of companies engaging in it do so in a manner that is just outright predatory at this point. It's proven the death knell of many a small company, and it will doubtless consume many others along the way.

Incidentally, you could probably even call timed exclusivity self-defeating in some cases. I'm not sure how familiar you are with how those things work, but there's rarely a clause in the contract for if sales exceed what was initially projected. I.e. the entity holding the rights to sell or platform the game is in no way required to compensate the IP-holder in the event this occurs. It's a practice typically engaged in by those looking to ensure they'll still turn a profit even if a product bombs. SE's frequent contracts with Sony indicate this is not necessarily their purpose, but smaller companies are often taken for everything they're worth in these deals just to be able to get their product on a platform at all. Then you've got platforms like Epic, which I am pretty sure even you won't try to argue don't engage in excessively predatory practices.

I feel like the notion of another crash in today's environment is ludicrous.

The gaming industry in those days was much smaller. Gaming since then has been very digitalized, and far more accessible (not to mention that it's now far more socially acceptable to be playing games too). After seeing how the gaming industry basically escaped unscathed in terms of revenue during COVID lockdowns (though actual development took a hit for reasons we all know), the so-called economists predicting another gaming crash sound more and more like doomposters trying to will one into existence because reasons.

The only way a gaming crash is happening at this point is if a society-altering event happens at a level far worse than what COVID did, and at that point, we have far worse things to worry about.

Larger markets have crashed than this one, and a lot of them didn't require a society-altering event for it to happen.