What were the devs thinking?

[SweetPete]

You know what enrages me? Playing scholar in pvp. I mean Astro is like the perfect healer job. It heals well, buffs and has burst damage. Scholar? We can just buff and debuff. Where is our burst damage? Scholar is to dependant on the team. I don’t like that.

If your team is bad then you suffer greatly. On Astro I can carry a bad team. Even on Whm if the team is decent I can carry. On scholar there is just no way possible. I can debuff all I want but it doesn’t do much if my team doesn’t take advantage of it. I really hope in 7.0 that this is looked at and changed. We need some burst. Something that can help us more.

I know about squares little diagram they showed us about the top pvp jobs and scholar was up there and they nerfed us but they didn’t tell us anything other than it was being played allot. No win rates or nothing. So save that argument. Don’t get me wrong. If you have a good team behind you then scholar is beastly but you can’t choose who you go into battle with. You just have to take what you got and try to make it work.

Maybe I just keep getting the bad ones lol. I don’t know. Sorry my rant is over now. Happy Saturday warriors of light.

[Elfidan]

They were most likely thinking about having each job feel like it's own thing. It's not just healers the tanks feel like 4 distinct entities as well. To be honest though every job in CC has come down to mastering a playstyle and some are easier than others to grasp.

Personally, I hate playing against SCH because they just keep coughing on people. I lost track of how many times I escaped a CC lockdown just to die to SCH cooties before my elixir could finish or I could reach a potion pick up.

[Nubrication]

You know what enrages me? Playing scholar in pvp. I mean Astro is like the perfect healer job. It heals well, buffs and has burst damage. Scholar? We can just buff and debuff. Where is our burst damage? Scholar is to dependant on the team. I don’t like that.

If your team is bad then you suffer greatly. On Astro I can carry a bad team. Even on Whm if the team is decent I can carry. On scholar there is just no way possible. I can debuff all I want but it doesn’t do much if my team doesn’t take advantage of it. I really hope in 7.0 that this is looked at and changed. We need some burst. Something that can help us more.

I know about squares little diagram they showed us about the top pvp jobs and scholar was up there and they nerfed us but they didn’t tell us anything other than it was being played allot. No win rates or nothing. So save that argument. Don’t get me wrong. If you have a good team behind you then scholar is beastly but you can’t choose who you go into battle with. You just have to take what you got and try to make it work.

Maybe I just keep getting the bad ones lol. I don’t know. Sorry my rant is over now. Happy Saturday warriors of light.

There are some classes that are definitely team reliant (you can excel but only if your team isn't bad). In my opinion they are: PLD, SCH, BRD and MNK. The first 3 are obvious. MNK however can secure kills but it's take too long to build up a Phantom Rush combo, if your team is bad, they'll all be dead before you can even pull the combo off. If you have to "meat shield" AND be the initiator for your team (there's no TANK and your team is full of ranged) then you have to worry more about surviving which can also ruin your combo building.

DNC and RPR probably fall somewhere in between team reliant and not team reliant.

[SweetPete]

You guys have some good points and I was just frustrated earlier because of all the loses I was having. I am a very good scholar and usually don’t die in my teams because I know how to maneuver well and use the field stages to my advantage. It just seems no matter how hard I debuff and shield/buff my team just doesn’t take advantage.

Now I have won don’t get me wrong. Sch has been great to me and I have racked up loads of wins but it’s just those back to back to back loses and you scream at your tv like “What’s my team doing, where are they? Why am I the only one on point” lol. Stuff like that. Overall sch is a good job I know this. I just wish it wasn’t so team reliant that’s all.

[Divinemights]

You know what enrages me? Playing scholar in pvp. I mean Astro is like the perfect healer job. It heals well, buffs and has burst damage. Scholar? We can just buff and debuff. Where is our burst damage? Scholar is to dependant on the team. I don’t like that.

If your team is bad then you suffer greatly. On Astro I can carry a bad team. Even on Whm if the team is decent I can carry. On scholar there is just no way possible. I can debuff all I want but it doesn’t do much if my team doesn’t take advantage of it. I really hope in 7.0 that this is looked at and changed. We need some burst. Something that can help us more.

I know about squares little diagram they showed us about the top pvp jobs and scholar was up there and they nerfed us but they didn’t tell us anything other than it was being played allot. No win rates or nothing. So save that argument. Don’t get me wrong. If you have a good team behind you then scholar is beastly but you can’t choose who you go into battle with. You just have to take what you got and try to make it work.

Maybe I just keep getting the bad ones lol. I don’t know. Sorry my rant is over now. Happy Saturday warriors of light.

Every jobs post 6.1 is depending on the team to perform
You didn't get that memo until 6.3?
Kinda late isnt it.
Scholar in general is is a support focused PvP healer.
You played the wrong job if you want burst range damage

[RyanCousland]

Every jobs post 6.1 is depending on the team to perform
You didn't get that memo until 6.3?
Kinda late isnt it.
Scholar in general is is a support focused PvP healer.
You played the wrong job if you want burst range damage

this isnt really the case as some jobs are very independent i.e NIN,DRG,SAM,DRK other jobs like PLD,SCH, and BRD require your team to understand those toolkits to better optimize these jobs utility, so the OP is on point

[Divinemights]

this isnt really the case as some jobs are very independent i.e NIN,DRG,SAM,DRK other jobs like PLD,SCH, and BRD require your team to understand those toolkits to better optimize these jobs utility, so the OP is on point

Frontline wise.
None of the jobs you listed has the ability to obtain a kill without a party, especially DRG, DRK, and NIN.
SAM LB is just a lol and this job has lost its burst ability from 5.1; unless you are counting on inexperience players or tunnel vision players, but fact this job can be just ignored because its damage output can't even suppress Recuperate's CD.
This job is highly rely a group vs group encounter; otherwise I can stand there and let this jobhit me for 15 mins and it barealy can lower my hp by 5%.
DRG needs DRK to setup for them.
Nin need other jobs to lower target's HP below 50% for them.
PLD can be ignored this expansion after they took nerf the cover.
SCH and BRD and supports and not many on Primal even bother to play support role on a support job; unless you are telling me Aether is different
The ecosystem is simply different for 6.1 compares to 5.1

[Nubrication]

Frontline wise.
None of the jobs you listed has the ability to obtain a kill without a party, especially DRG, DRK, and NIN.
SAM LB is just a lol and this job has lost its burst ability from 5.1; unless you are counting on inexperience players or tunnel vision players, but fact this job can be just ignored because its damage output can't even suppress Recuperate's CD.
This job is highly rely a group vs group encounter; otherwise I can stand there and let this jobhit me for 15 mins and it barealy can lower my hp by 5%.
DRG needs DRK to setup for them.
Nin need other jobs to to lower target's HP below 50% for them
PLD can be ignored this expansion after they took nerf the cover.
SCH and BRD and supports and not many on Primal even bother to play support role on a support job; unless you are telling me Aether is different

DRG, DRK, NIN AND SAM can absolutely kill without party members. It's definitely more difficult in Crystal Tier where everyone knows how to guard and purify properly; and when to run from a fight and elixir. In lower ranked CC, casual CC, FL AND RW, they can easily solo kill people (and yes, SAM can do it without LB). SAM's burst window is 40k dmg LOL, not counting their stun (which does 10% of target's current HP) nor any extra dmg from Chiten dmg return/Chiten's 25% dmg bonus). If you can't kill someone with just SAM burst, then it's time to pay more attention to who just used guard and has low mana (in CC).

As for DRG, you're probably not bursting the right people properly if you can't kill anyone. Same with DRK and NIN.

Even in "DUEL" scenarios. Where you both start at full hp and full mana, it's possible. But there are variables that come in to play like environment, HP kit, and elixir. And chances are you'll rarely be in this situation unless you are completely ignoring objective because you have a hard on for someone. This is all of course - in terms of CC. In FL, why would even bother trying to solo anyone. Everybody has innate damage mitigation - and even then it's still possible to solo kill (as those classes) with BH5, etc. (granted it's gonna take you a long time and only if the enemy decides not to run).

[Divinemights]

DRG, DRK, NIN AND SAM can absolutely kill without party members. It's definitely more difficult in Crystal Tier where everyone knows how to guard and purify properly; and when to run from a fight and elixir. In lower ranked CC, casual CC, FL AND RW, they can easily solo kill people (and yes, SAM can do it without LB). SAM's burst window is 40k dmg LOL, not counting their stun (which does 10% of target's current HP) nor any extra dmg from Chiten dmg return/Chiten's 25% dmg bonus). If you can't kill someone with just SAM burst, then it's time to pay more attention to who just used guard and has low mana (in CC).

As for DRG, you're probably not bursting the right people properly if you can't kill anyone. Same with DRK and NIN.

Even in "DUEL" scenarios. Where you both start at full hp and full mana, it's possible. But there are variables that come in to play like environment, HP kit, and elixir. And chances are you'll rarely be in this situation unless you are completely ignoring objective because you have a hard on for someone. This is all of course - in terms of CC. In FL, why would even bother trying to solo anyone. Everybody has innate damage mitigation - and even then it's still possible to solo kill (as those classes) with BH5, etc. (granted it's gonna take you a long time and only if the enemy decides not to run).

Please read before you post
I specifically said Frontline Wise

[Nubrication]

Please read before you post
I specifically said Frontline Wise

Whoops my bad.