(SPOILERS) Devs please do something about the Ascian Board meeting?

[SannaR]

If they can add Alphinaud failing to heal Haurchefant's wounds in the post Vault cutscene I'm sure they can fix the one time we see all of the Ascians.

Some people might be wondering which cutscene(s) I'm talking about. Back during ARR and before they knew what they wanted to do with our mostly black robed villians they gave us a scene in the rift that showed us all of them. Unfortunately there's a few problems with this. We get a scene in the rift with 14 seats in a circle with a step in the middle. All 14 chairs and the step in the middle are filled including Elidibus. There are no rank and file black masked.

So right off the bat we have extra Ascians. We can easily remove one due to whomever is supposed to be representing the seat of Azem can be taken out as that seat was never filled after Azem split from the Convocation. The next easy one to take out is whomever is supposed to be Emet-Selch as he at the time this takes place just recently kicked the bucket as Solus and went to take a nap. We know from the side story Er Our Curtain Falls that he wasn't disturbed from said nap until Elidibus let's him know about Lahabrea's death.

That takes us down to 13 and yet we should be at least down to 12 if not 11. We have another Ascian that probably shouldn't be there as Emmerololth is dead by the time we are shown them. They were messing around the Isle of Vale looking for a primal that resides inside a sword just like Odin when Gaulf and others went and plunged the Isle straight into the Aetherial Sea.

The Aetherial Sea has pockets of turbulent aether that are able to rip apart just about anything. They're so bad that even Emet-Selch while he's taking his naps makes sure to stay away from them. We also know that they don't come back when we run into the Isle and the Primal later during Stormblood and we're exploring it asking if Pazuzu is up.

Now this wouldn't be such a problem if Emmerololth was just there. And yet they have lines of dialog so those also would need to be given to someone else. The last one that depending on your take on if they've been switching out bodies for 5,000 years or if they got dusted somehow between then and when they appear in their first Meanwhile in Garlemald scene. Yes, I'm talking about Fandaniel. As to me the first time we see him in his white robes felt like he had just been freshly re-raised to his seat.

Either way we still have an extra Ascian as even if you took into account the above oppsies we still started that with 15 people when it should have only been 13 if you wanted to handwave exactly when an Isle tossing and nap ends up happening.

[Allegor]

Something something "time works differently between shards" and all that, but one could argue Mitron and Loghrif shouldn't be there either.

Also, loosely related, but there's still no info to whatever happened to the remaining ascians. Altima was confirmed dead, along with either Pashtarot, Halmarut, or Deudalaphon, but that still leaves 2 of them AWOL

[SannaR]

I leave Mitron and Loghrif as alive as we don't run into Ardbert and friends until post 3.0. Which would be around the time we know Loghrif would have been dead and Mitron having been transformed into Eden. Altima and Deudalaphon are the ones on Gaius’s belt. Which leaves Halmarut and Pashtarot MIA. One of them got lucky to have a line of dialog. The board meeting is just such a hot mess after the devs finally decided on what they wanted to do with them and how many there should be that leaving it as it is after all this time when we know they should be able to clean it up somewhat feels like they forgot about it.

[Zebraoracle]

Something something "time works differently between shards" and all that, but one could argue Mitron and Loghrif shouldn't be there either.

Also, loosely related, but there's still no info to whatever happened to the remaining ascians. Altima was confirmed dead, along with either Pashtarot, Halmarut, or Deudalaphon, but that still leaves 2 of them AWOL

Didn't Gaius kill a bunch of them?

[NekoMataMata]

Didn't Gaius kill a bunch of them?

He mentions being on the hunt, and we see two red masks hung on his clothes, so we know he killed around two of them. We don't know which though. They had to have been killed somewhere between HW and between the SB patches(after the Burn).

[Kazhar]

Didn't Gaius kill a bunch of them?

As far as we know he had no way of killing them permanently so they should still be around. (and even if they were killed permanently somehow, the Unsundered had the mean to awaken another of their shards to the seat.)

We don't know which though.

We do know, it was confirmed to be Altima and Deudalaphon in Live Letter LXVIII (even though the Lion mask was clearly supposed to be Fandaniel's but whatever)

[NekoMataMata]

As far as we know he had no way of killing them permanently so they should still be around.



We do know, it was confirmed to be Altima and Deudalaphon in Live Letter LXVIII (even though the Lion mask was clearly supposed to Fandaniel's but whatever)

Oh... another display of great story writing then I suppose.

[Allegor]

it was confirmed to be Altima and Deudalaphon in Live Letter LXVIII (even though the Lion mask was clearly supposed to be Fandaniel's but whatever)

Oh, I didn't know Deudalaphon was confirmed to be the other red mask Gaius had, that only leaves Halmarut and Pashtarot then.

[SannaR]

As far as we know he had no way of killing them permanently so they should still be around. (and even if they were killed permanently somehow, the Unsundered had the mean to awaken another of their shards to the seat.)

The method the unsundered used to raise a member were the memory crystals that we gave to Elidibus when he was dying. Last we saw he took them with him before his soul got vacuumed into the Crystal Tower and now that he's dead dead those are also probably gone as well. The only other time someone tried to do so was when Mitron forced their memories of Logrith onto Gia.

[Kazhar]

The method the unsundered used to raise a member were the memory crystals that we gave to Elidibus when he was dying. Last we saw he took them with him before his soul got vacuumed into the Crystal Tower and now that he's dead dead those are also probably gone as well. The only other time someone tried to do so was when Mitron forced their memories of Logrith onto Gia.

I know, I meant they could have been raised again between the time when Gaius "killed" them (maybe) and Shadowbringers.