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    Eisi's Avatar
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    Eiserne Sternschnuppe
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    Shiva
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    Monk Lv 90

    Should buffs work on all alliance members rather than just your party?

    As a Dancer I feel real bad in Rival Wings. I can't play dynamically like in CC where everyone on my side benefits from my buffs. Instead my party has to do everything together just so that I get to make maximum use of my Dancer.

    Meaning I'm actually a burden on other players who would rather be more independent and use a vehicle from time to time or split off from the rest for whatever reason. And I can't just go where I'm needed cause chances are I can't buff relevant team members there either.

    My solution currently is to not play Dancer in Rival Wings.
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    Nubrication's Avatar
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    Virtus Pendragon
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    Gilgamesh
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    Gladiator Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Eisi View Post
    As a Dancer I feel real bad in Rival Wings. I can't play dynamically like in CC where everyone on my side benefits from my buffs. Instead my party has to do everything together just so that I get to make maximum use of my Dancer.

    Meaning I'm actually a burden on other players who would rather be more independent and use a vehicle from time to time or split off from the rest for whatever reason. And I can't just go where I'm needed cause chances are I can't buff relevant team members there either.

    My solution currently is to not play Dancer in Rival Wings.
    I might be playing DNC in RW wrong but I feel like it’s only useful for merc, mid engagements and CE collection. It’s too squishy and DNC LB doesn’t affect Mechs. Might as well just swap to a MNK or something and have a guaranteed squishy kill every few “seconds” lol. Good thing is, you can swap jobs and still keep your soaring stacks.

    If you figure it out and have DNC tips for me in RW, I’m all ears.
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    Rajeko Thunderbright
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    Scholar Lv 98
    I wish stuff like cover, dance partner and blm's slide-teleport worked on inter-party members. Single target heals already do so it's like why not?

    Not sure about group-wide buffs though, especially in FL. Imagine AST buffing the entire 24-man team with +30% damage, or curing waltz healing the whole raid, sounds pretty busted.

    Could argue it'd be fine in RW for sure though.
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    Sunie Dakwhil
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    I do feel people greatly overestimate the DP buffs, but being able to DP somebody from another alliance could be fun.

    Although in my opinion the real problem remains the range more than anything, whether it is RW or CC. But I guess it's like kardion right? More skill expression having to swap it around constantly?
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    Calv Silhart
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    Behemoth
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    Dragoon Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Kansene View Post
    Not sure about group-wide buffs though, especially in FL. Imagine AST buffing the entire 24-man team with +30% damage, or curing waltz healing the whole raid, sounds pretty busted.
    Hehe, I'm reminded of that short period where Cure III was bugged and could splash to people outside of your alliance. That was pretty fun.

    I think it would be ok for group buffs to target other alliance members as long as there's a target cap to stop them from getting too out of control. AST cards, for example, could be limited so that it only hits your target and the 7 people closest to them. Though I think each buff would have to be assessed on a case-by-case basis; I don't think Everlasting Flight or Seraph, for instance, should be bound to those same limitations.
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    Last edited by Silhart; 02-24-2023 at 10:12 PM.

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    Ivan Moondiver
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    Alpha
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    Warrior Lv 80
    Sadly you are going to run some classes being less efficient on certain modes/maps.

    DNC in RW is weird, it can provide a boost but overall everything already dies quickly so between Curing Waltz, a negligible defense boost from the fan, honing dance... what I can see being scary is Saber Dance since it can hit hard.

    But as for buffs working with other alliance members? Could be interesting
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    Kathleen Nadinea
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    I think it would be a good idea to make them work on alliance members, but it'd have to be on skill by skill basis instead of just blanket make everything on everyone work. AST LB or even just Macrocosmos working on everyone would be kinda broken for example, but there are definitely jobs that need this change like SGE, which currently has no way to heal alliance members unlike the other healers.
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    Llynethil Kindle
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    Botanist Lv 90
    Make it only 1/3 of the effect on rest of the raid, full effect would be too strong, but partial effect would be interesting.
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    Bran Cinaed
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    Ultros
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    Monk Lv 77
    Quote Originally Posted by Kansene View Post
    I wish stuff like cover, dance partner and blm's slide-teleport worked on inter-party members. Single target heals already do so it's like why not?
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    Don't you think it'd be a massive buff to Aetherial Manipulation, Thunderclap, Icarus, and Guardian? Shukuchi a little less because it can be ground targetted.
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    Rajeko Thunderbright
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    Scholar Lv 98
    Quote Originally Posted by brancinaed View Post
    Don't you think it'd be a massive buff to Aetherial Manipulation, Thunderclap, Icarus, and Guardian? Shukuchi a little less because it can be ground targetted.
    Well, yes.
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