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[SweetPete]

If SCH doesn’t get summon feo as their level 100 skill. I’m going to scream. Lol. Please give us feo to summon in 7.0. You guys know we SCH’s want it. Just give it to us.

[Renathras]

It would be fantastic to have my Beautiful Branch. Bonus points if she says something in that Welsh/Scottish/Irish? (I think Irish...) accent when she casts the big abilities.

EDIT: Though...I suppose she isn't EXACTLY Lily, but maybe they could make it an optional summon-glamour quest instead, so instead of an ability, it'll be some quest you do where Lily agrees to sort of "host" Feo Ul so she can cross the dimensional barrier to hang out with us. But who knows?

Also, what IS the difference between pixies and faeries? I always thought pixies were a type of faerie...and it's not like we've found any other faeries on the Source OR any of the Shards. Like...SCH's made pacts with them...but where the heck do they come from??

[SweetPete]

It would be fantastic to have my Beautiful Branch. Bonus points if she says something in that Welsh/Scottish/Irish? (I think Irish...) accent when she casts the big abilities.

EDIT: Though...I suppose she isn't EXACTLY Lily, but maybe they could make it an optional summon-glamour quest instead, so instead of an ability, it'll be some quest you do where Lily agrees to sort of "host" Feo Ul so she can cross the dimensional barrier to hang out with us. But who knows?

Also, what IS the difference between pixies and faeries? I always thought pixies were a type of faerie...and it's not like we've found any other faeries on the Source OR any of the Shards. Like...SCH's made pacts with them...but where the heck do they come from??

I mean they gave us seraph summon and that was just weird to be honest. Seraph? Where does she fit in the fairy/sch lore? So I’m sure they can work it out to give us Feo. Heck she comes to us everytime we call for her anyway so shouldn’t be difficult.

I don’t want glamour I want us to summon her and give us huge shield/heal or heck even a crazy buff to the party. Feo will be an amazing addition to our fairy/angel/pixie arsenal.

I’m not a lore junkie so not sure about the fairy vs pixie. I mean fairies look more human like while pixies look very nature like with insect looking wings while fairies have butterfly wings.

[ForsakenRoe]

in any other situation i'd say 'they cant because something something spoiler for new players'

in this game i have no idea, since we trot out phoenix (the worlds worst kept secret, apparently) on a 2min-ly basis, in direct contravention of what Lou actually wanted when he first became the damn thing

so yeh at the very least can we have a way to swap seraph to look like feo, because meeting them in SHB and then our capstone ability from SHB NOT being 'summon king of pixies' is criminal

'summon us in times of need' they expressly said, and yet every time we do a raidboss there's not so much of a whisper of their name. SE is cold, and cruel and heartless

[Calysto]

Let's study some Lore (correct me if I'm wrong on some of these, it's been a while)

Start with Arcanist's Carbuncle :
-Is an aetheric construct
-Derive from an ancient concept
-Can manifest it's own personality (Ruby, Tataru's)
-personality seems consistent for a caster ; the cause may be aether, dynamis or another "variable"

Now Summoner :
-Imbuing Carbuncle's magical formula with a primal aether create an Egi
-Comes from Allag ; does not include it's own summon (unless you count demi-baha)
-Phoenix doesn't makes a lot of sense lore-wise (we know it derive from an ancient concept, but it's appearance as a primal when/how it did probably involved an external interference (like an ancient bird-like fiery goddess ?) Relative to Summoner, at best you could go for "osmosis with bahamut" but that's a stretch

And Scholar :
-Allow you to summon Lily ; comes with it's personality and memories
-Comes from Nim where it was used in the same way we do. No information on a base concept for now.

Some additional lore that may be useful :
-Most familiars seems sentient with memories/personality
-The only familiars we know persists without their caster seems to be material ones (Cait, Gigi, Meteion)
-WoL already created one familiar : Anima's spirit
-Soul crystals can retain their owners skills and sometime memories

So I'll propose the following :
-Lily is not a living being, but the exact magical formula for a construct stored in crystal by the previous owner. maybe so she could persist as she had no material form
-WoL can temper the said formula (Eos/Selene form)
-It is possible one of those form is actually the "original" while the other use WoL "variables"
-Therefore, WoL could imbue the fairy formula with Titania's aether
-Since Feo can already travel to the source, It could be even easier for her if WoL had a vessel already imbued with her aether
-She could also alter the construct to leave it with bits of her memories/personality along Lily's

Unless I made a mistake, it would be consistent with the known lore and allow for more possibilities in the future.

[Renathras]

So I'll propose the following :
-Lily is not a living being, but the exact formula stored in crystal by the previous owner. maybe so she could persist as she had no material form

Note that I'm personally fine with Feo Ul being a form that SCH can summon, but I have an issue with the above.

In SCH lore, it's said that the Faeries were "bound" (the word used) to the SCH Job Stones. It doesn't saying their formula was discovered or inscribed, it says they were bound. Generally speaking, binding something requires that something to be pre/independently-existing. That is, there must be a thing to be bound.

This HIGHLY implies that Lily (her name) and all the other Faeries (like Lilac, the one from Setoto's father) were as well. It's more probable (since the SCH's didn't SEEM particularly evil) that this was less an involuntary capturing and more of a pact forming, that from then on connected the individual Faerie with an individual SCH Job Stone. The actual Faerie player SCH's summon is named Lily, with Eos and Selene being two sides of her personality (since she did have pretty bad amnesia when we found her), but she's one being. And for the record, Eos seems to be her preferred/actual form (it's the one she uses in all cutscenes she's in with us)

So a lore reasoning would more be if Feo Ul and Lily were to agree to merging their powers to help their WoL and agree to "share" a pact with you. (/Rand Al Thor intensifies)

It seems very unlikely that Lily ISN'T a living being (in some form), or that she's just a formula unless the lore we have is exposed at some point as being some complicated lie the SCH's of old established and perpetrated through centuries for reasons that...honestly wouldn't make any sense, as there's no "gain" for them by their enemies thinking the Faeries are formula spells rather than individual beings. Not to mention they were known to both Mhach and Amdapor, the latter of which we KNOW captured and interrogated SCHs (Setoto's father among them), and the former we can reasonably expect also did that. Meaning one or the other of them would likely have determined if it was a lie and exposed it, if it were, in fact, a lie.

[SweetPete]

in any other situation i'd say 'they cant because something something spoiler for new players'

in this game i have no idea, since we trot out phoenix (the worlds worst kept secret, apparently) on a 2min-ly basis, in direct contravention of what Lou actually wanted when he first became the damn thing

so yeh at the very least can we have a way to swap seraph to look like feo, because meeting them in SHB and then our capstone ability from SHB NOT being 'summon king of pixies' is criminal

'summon us in times of need' they expressly said, and yet every time we do a raidboss there's not so much of a whisper of their name. SE is cold, and cruel and heartless

I agree. I want to summon Feo or heck even Titania will work. I have no idea where Seraph came from lol. Why did they go for seraph of all creatures they could of chosen.

[AnotherPerson]

I agree. I want to summon Feo or heck even Titania will work. I have no idea where Seraph came from lol. Why did they go for seraph of all creatures they could of chosen.

My headcanon is that WoL was affected by the First's abundance of Light Aether that our skills and abilities were affected by it (WHM suddenly throwing out Glare and Dia, SCH getting Seraph, and AST already drawing power of the stars got their card effects changed to flavors of Balance - the Solar Arcana -- aka the Sun for its representation of Light, and got nerfed to death on release because they can't see the night sky).

Whether that's actually canon remains to be seen because we didn't get a job storyline quest for those levels...

[Connor]

I don’t really understand how this would make sense.

I mean, Scholars are Nymian and from the Source, how could they have any links to an entity from another world in the first place? Feo Ul also isn’t a ‘fairy’, not in the sense that Eos or Selene is, since she’s not an artificial construct made of aether bound to the Scholar’s soul stone. Further, how would they then explain an omnipresent Feo Ul? It makes sense for primals because you’re basically just summoning a photocopy made of their aether, and they’re no longer manifested in Eorzea.
How would it work when you’re summoning something that’s still active (and standing next to herself 3 times lol), even if it is on another world.

As for Seraph, I can only assume it’s the fairy’s ‘true form’; Seraph is what you’d see Nymian Scholars in the past summoning as opposed to Eos/Selene. It’s made clear throughout the Scholar storyline that our control and influence over the fairy isn’t absolute, so I assumed that’s why we only end up summoning one half of her each time (Eos or Selene). Summon Seraph is basically putting your all into the summoning to awaken the actual Fairy herself and not just aspects of her. But since our control isn’t absolute, we can’t sustain it for long. That’s all pure conjecture though.

The form also makes sense to me. Fairies essentially work on the same principles as primals/summoned entities, so the form manifests based on the beliefs of the summoners. Considering she was designed to fly around the battlefield saving the lives of soldiers and strengthening them, it makes sense they’d see her as some kind of ‘High-Ranking Guardian Angel’, and that her form would change to match that (hence the glowing Angel fairy lol).

[ForsakenRoe]

I don’t really understand how this would make sense.

Seems pretty soundly explained to me. At least, better explained than Seraph.