Myths of the Realm Rewritten

[Atelier-Bagur]

I like how we deviated from OP's fan fic to trying to define the meaning of god.

[MikkoAkure]

I like how we deviated from OP's fan fic to trying to define the meaning of god.

What’s a king to a god? What’s a god to an Aveyond thread?

[Midareyukki]

I like how we deviated from OP's fan fic to trying to define the meaning of god.

The thread just got 50x more interesting just out of that.

I mean really. Half of the fanfic makes My Immortal look sane. The writing is just bland, edgy and inconsistent with established lore. Honestly, Aveyond, your story isn't any better than Square Enix's, and it's coming across as gratuitously edgy. Between a sugar cubes story and a tryhard edgy story, I honestly can't tell you which is worse.

Not to mention uninspired? Bro, you have Nymeia, a goddess of literal fate who cried tears of silver, and she just... whips out a kraken?? Because "water" I guess? At least the raid has her play with Astro Cards.


No, if we're going to define God, then we need to establish tierlists.

If we're going to define God by power levels, then we need to draw the line somewhere:
- Strong on their home turf but weak outside it
- Physical gods, but defeatable in mundane ways
- Overpowered being whose power is contained in artifacts or people
- Omnipotence with self-imposed limitations
- True Omnipotence and omniscience

Or you might want to define the God by how unkillable they are
- Dependency on prayer or food (ambrosia, hello)
- Cannot age but can be killed
- Immortal but requires specific methods to be killed
- Immortal but can die if they so choose
- "As long as X exists, Y will too"
- True immortality

Or you might want to define them based on their origin
- Random empowerment
- The power of belief
- Reached enlightenment
- Elemental
- Primordial being
- Everything everywhere all at once (どこまで逃げても、掌てのひらの上)
- Supreme consciousness outside the realm of reality

Feel free to modify them.

[VelKallor]

- Dependency on prayer or food (ambrosia, hello)

One point here, Midareyukki, we have been told they are not primals, they do not NEED worship or even WANT it...if I was to define them, they would yes be Gods, BUT benign, happy to sit and guide QUIETLY and at the same time NOT interfere or intervene in any way.

We MUST develop on our own, note that if you twin our past battles with

Meteion and her brood

, they did NOT step in to help nor would they ( you could, I suppose, use the Prime Directive trope if you want in this context...)

They knew of the Calamity but DID NOT intervene..maybe this is kind of an attitude that if they did, what they would do would make US dependent on THEM, expecting the Twelve to save us when the need arises, which they dont want.

I mean, theres another parallel, the Scions "disbanding", dropping the every day crises BACK onto the city states so they dont become dependent on US to pull their fat out of the fire.

We, and they, must learn to stand alone, to fight our own battles.

This

Supreme consciousness outside the realm of reality

is a better definition of their existence....if you want to move that one step further, they are akin to the kami or auspices, part and separate of our physical existence at the same time, visiting and leaving it in the same instant.

I used to read 2000 AD, they had a comic story series Nemesis...I remember one of the stories "With my powers, I can help you, the Blitzspear and I will and can be there"

The woman he is talking to you shakes her head "No. We cant become dependent on celestials or any gods we believe in, what Ive found is that when we do, all we are left with are empty promises..and broken dreams..."

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

The thread just got 50x more interesting just out of that.

I mean really. Half of the fanfic makes My Immortal look sane. The writing is just bland, edgy and inconsistent with established lore. Honestly, Aveyond, your story isn't any better than Square Enix's, and it's coming across as gratuitously edgy. Between a sugar cubes story and a tryhard edgy story, I honestly can't tell you which is worse.

Not to mention uninspired? Bro, you have Nymeia, a goddess of literal fate who cried tears of silver, and she just... whips out a kraken?? Because "water" I guess? At least the raid has her play with Astro Cards.


No, if we're going to define God, then we need to establish tierlists.

If we're going to define God by power levels, then we need to draw the line somewhere:
- Strong on their home turf but weak outside it
- Physical gods, but defeatable in mundane ways
- Overpowered being whose power is contained in artifacts or people
- Omnipotence with self-imposed limitations
- True Omnipotence and omniscience

Or you might want to define the God by how unkillable they are
- Dependency on prayer or food (ambrosia, hello)
- Cannot age but can be killed
- Immortal but requires specific methods to be killed
- Immortal but can die if they so choose
- "As long as X exists, Y will too"
- True immortality

Or you might want to define them based on their origin
- Random empowerment
- The power of belief
- Reached enlightenment
- Elemental
- Primordial being
- Everything everywhere all at once (どこまで逃げても、掌てのひらの上)
- Supreme consciousness outside the realm of reality

Feel free to modify them.

Now THIS is a Conversation.
I think Aveyond-Dreams has a Gift, to create Bad threads that Spiral and Derail into Awesome ones.

Lets see...I think the Easier Tier-List is the Power-Levels
Here is mine to the best of my ability

- Strong on their home turf but weak outside it
Llymlaen -
- Physical gods, but defeatable in mundane ways
Halone - Rhalgr - Althyk -
- Overpowered being whose power is contained in artifacts or people
Menphina - Nymeia - Byregot -
- Omnipotence with self-imposed limitations
Oschon -
- True Omnipotence and omniscience
Thaliak - Azeyma - Nald'thal - Nophica -

Its not Perfect, I know its flawed. I mostly went off of a Description since my Knowledge of some of them is Fractured.
Suddenly Im curious to see others make a Tier-list.

[RyuDragnier]

Out of all of those, Oschon is the most interesting BECAUSE of his self-imposed limitations. He could totally destroy you easily...but where's the fun in that? A fight with a self-handicap in the case of gods v mortals, a sign of respect. They respect you enough to handicap themselves for a fair fight.

[Zanarkand-Ronso]

Out of all of those, Oschon is the most interesting BECAUSE of his self-imposed limitations. He could totally destroy you easily...but where's the fun in that? A fight with a self-handicap in the case of gods v mortals, a sign of respect. They respect you enough to handicap themselves for a fair fight.

Im pretty Hyped to Hopefully Fight him in the Final Raid Tier.
I guess it Helps that he is My Chosen Deity/God, and for some reason they also made him a supporting character in the Questline.
Plus I think somebody pointed out that the Twelve are being pushed out in Order. So if things stay the way they are, he will be the Final Kill.

[Renalt]

I don't even have to say anything anymore. People do the job for me just fine.

Someone mentioned food earlier. Now that the move is finished and I've had some time to rest...im thinking of making some Cajun Chicken Alfredo. Hopefully. This will be a first so I might goof it.

[SaitoHikari]

This thread is kind of hilarious now, because it feels like there's more lore discussion happening here in this thread in a single night than the entire Lore forum gets in a week.

[Yukimin]

Never stop posting, Aveyond.