Myths of the Realm Rewritten

[Absimiliard]

Umm...God's or godlike beings are generally always integral in FF games sooo...

If there's no reason for them to be integral (you know if we leave out their importance to the world be currectly have in XIV) then there's no reason to kill them off either (in this case there actually is no reason other than you personal distain).

Can't be tired of a troupe but then advocate for it. Just makes the entire thing pointless tbh. If he gods are that bad skip the raid and gear up elsewhere. You'd probably enjoy that far more

FF1, FF2, FF3, FF4, FF5, FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10

Just to name a few Final Fantasy games that had no need of gods or beings filling a similar niche. There are others. Point being, the gods are not "generally" integral. There are in fact more FF games that don't rely on them than those that do. Note: FF8's Hyne was only a myth, and FF9's Necron is not defined or presented as a god.

Ya'll really need to get over this, "oh, if you don't like it, go do different content/play a diifferent game/etc." business. That's not a great message to be sending to your fellow players. Besides, the only other gearing option is doing savages, which I already do on my NA alt. Why in the world would I want to do that on my EU alt? My ping on that character is on crack. Having a grievance with what I perceive as the needless inclusion of gods does not mean I shouldn't do do the content. The plot has nothing to do with mechanics.

This is the first and only time the Twelve have mattered (note: what Louisoix attempted to summon was not the Twelve but rather his own mental representation of them). They were just a myth prior to the 24-man, and they could've remained a myth without in any way damaging the game's preexisting lore. Primals aren't gods. Even Hydaelyn and Zodiark weren't gods, though they certainly wielded tremendous power.

[Atelier-Bagur]

FF1, FF2, FF3, FF4, FF5, FF7, FF8, FF9, FF10

Just to name a few Final Fantasy games that had no need of gods or beings filling a similar niche. There are others. Point being, the gods are not "generally" integral. There are in fact more FF games that don't rely on them than those that do. Note: FF8's Hyne was only a myth, and FF9's Necron is not defined or presented as a god.

Ya'll really need to get over this, "oh, if you don't like it, go do different content/play a diifferent game/etc." business. That's not a great message to be sending to your fellow players. Besides, the only other gearing option is doing savages, which I already do on my NA alt. Why in the world would I want to do that on my EU alt? My ping on that character is on crack. Having a grievance with what I perceive as the needless inclusion of gods does not mean I shouldn't do do the content. The plot has nothing to do with mechanics.

This is the first and only time the Twelve have mattered (note: what Louisoix attempted was not the Twelve but rather his own mental representation of them). They were just a myth prior to the 24-man, and they could've remained a myth without in any way damaging the game's preexisting lore. Primals aren't gods. Even Hydaelyn and Zodiark weren't gods, though they certainly wielded tremendous power.

Im sorry but youre really stretching here with the no gods thing. I think the point of the posters argument is that every FF game you had to deal with ultimately powerful beings akin to gods. So Chaos, The Emperor, Cloud of Darkness, Zeromus, Exdeath, Sephiroth, Ultimecia, Necron, and Sin are just as prominent with their power as what we would perceive as "gods".

The typical jrpg formula is always has been this.

[Zebraoracle]

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You can think what you want of the ARaid story all you want, that's your right. I'm not super interested in the current one myself, but I personally don't really care since it's an ARaid, to me it's just side content. However, and like I said earlier in this thread, OP is known for spouting off just complete negativity about the game to the point of being unhinged, like just look at his edgy teenager fanfic re-writing of the ARaid's story. Look at all of his previous threads. I've said it before and I'll continue saying it, I originally agreed with some of his points regarding EW's story. That doesn't mean I have to continue to agree with, or even defend, him now when all he's doing is being completely ridiculous. At this point, people come to these threads because of the clownfiesta that they are right out of the gate.

And look, he even did what I predicted he'd do in my first post in this thread - he only responds to people who agree with him, he's not here for discussion, he's not here for debate, he's here to complain and hear himself talk and commiserate with anyone who has remotely the same feelings as he does. How'd I predict it? Because he does it literally every single time he makes a complaint thread - because that's ALL he makes, whining about how awful 14 is and how back in the day it was so much better.

Do I disagree with you about being tired of gods in general? Not really. Do I see you making unhinged threads about it? Not at all. The entire "controversy" in this thread is because of who OP is and what his track record is. Go make a similar topic yourself, don't post a freaking teenage fanfic rewrite of the story, and actually bring up your points and be willing to discuss stuff with people, and I guarantee your thread will be like night and day to this one.

Im sorry but youre really stretching here with the no gods thing. I think the point of the posters argument is that every FF game you had to deal with ultimately powerful beings akin to gods. So Chaos, The Emperor, Cloud of Darkness, Zeromus, Exdeath, Sephiroth, Ultimecia, Necron, and Sin are just as prominent with their power as what we would perceive as "gods".

The typical jrpg formula is always has been this.

It's been a while since I've played any of the 1-10 games, but... what literal god was the villain of 6? Wasn't Kefka the final boss? I don't remember, but if we're describing him as a god... why not Chaos, Exdeath, and Sin? IIRC Sin was almost literally a god-like being. I don't know, like I said it's been a hot minute for me.

[SieyaM]

I don't know exactly what's happening in this thread but I do know I am tired of the whole trial by combat trope that has been way overused. Also, everything is always going to refer back to the ancients and Hydaelyn/Venat because everything in the world we live in was created by them. By writing that they instantly removed any mystery or future intrigue because guess what, everything goes back to them and will into eternity.

[Absimiliard]

Im sorry but youre really stretching here with the no gods thing. I think the point of the posters argument is that every FF game you had to deal with ultimately powerful beings akin to gods. So Chaos, The Emperor, Cloud of Darkness, Zeromus, Exdeath, Sephiroth, Ultimecia, Necron, and Sin are just as prominent with their power as what we would perceive as "gods".

The typical jrpg formula is always has been this.

There is a major distinction between gods and beings with immense power. That distinction is sometimes entirely in how they are presented. I am stretching nothing. Chaos, the Emperor, Cloud of Darkness, Zeromus, Exdeath, Sephiroth, Ultimecia, Necron, and Sin are not at any point promoted as being gods or anything like gods. Some of these characters may think of themselves as gods, or even be looking to attain godhood, but they are not in and of themselves gods, nor do their games treat them as such.

[Carin-Eri]

I'm repeating myself here, but going to say it again anyway: I don't see that anything needs to change with how it has been presented/how separate it has been from the usual themes thus far. No apocalyptic threat. No threat of calamity. No ulterior motive or evil scheme/plan. Just some benevolent deities who seem to want to have some fun with their 'children'.

It's pretty refreshing in my opinion.

[Atelier-Bagur]

There is a major distinction between gods and beings with immense power. That distinction is sometimes entirely in how they are presented. I am stretching nothing. Chaos, the Emperor, Cloud of Darkness, Zeromus, Exdeath, Sephiroth, Ultimecia, Necron, and Sin are not at any point promoted as being gods or anything like gods. Some of these characters may think of themselves as gods, or even be looking to attain godhood, but they are not in and of themselves gods, nor do their games treat them as such.

Each villian becomes akin to god at the end, thats all that matters to me in my point

[TaleraRistain]

It's been a while since I've played any of the 1-10 games, but... what literal god was the villain of 6? Wasn't Kefka the final boss? I don't remember, but if we're describing him as a god... why not Chaos, Exdeath, and Sin? IIRC Sin was almost literally a god-like being. I don't know, like I said it's been a hot minute for me.

Kefka absorbed the power of the Warring Triad and by the time you fight him at the end he is the literal god of magic. His death destroys magic across that world. Terra only survives because she holds on to her half human side.

Necron

He's past god tier. He's the personification of entropy in the universe.

[Alleo]

I guess one can like the trope that the gods are all just evil and powerhungry and be disappointed that for once they are not, so even though I disagree with the story rewrite in that part I can accept that someone might find it awesome.

But the ending...that ending...bascially all that rewriting is just there so that the Ascians can one day rise again as the surely great gods they were always meant to be...For someone that loves the story to be soo dark and gritty you surely want quite the happy ending for tragic characters.

I am thankful for having the writing team we have on FF14.

[Raoabolic]

Each villian becomes akin to god at the end, thats all that matters to me in my point

Eh, I prefer villains like Ilberd. He had a goal (Drag the WoL to free Ala Mingo) and accomplished it! Most of the bad guys they introduce had either tragic backstories or use their godpowers as if they are backed into a corner. Ilberd had a dragon's eye and singlehandedly shifted the attention of every leader of the Eorizean alliance to Ala Mingo. We need more bad guys like Ilberd, lol.