Gold Saucer issues

[Elevin]

I see old players saying it's easy, but i don't see any of you actually countering my arguments, why shouldn't the rewards from the open tournament be increased? Why shouldn't the jumbo Cactpot be overhauled? You haven't countered my arguments either on winning the ring from the cactpot once every 64 years. The only thing you have come back at me with is "it's easy to earn MGP at the gold saucer". But all i see is old accounts claiming this. Why shouldn't there be an alternative way to earn MGP outside the Moogle event through combat? And the 4m mount is on top of everything else, what's next, an 8m mount, and you will still be saying the same thing, that "it's easy to earn MGP in the gold saucer". Hell, I know it's easy, been doing it almost weekly, but the fact is that unless you want to spend months doing every gate in the gold saucer grinding stuff out, you are literally time gated by years without spending ungodly amounts of time in there.

[Brightamethyst]

I see old players saying it's easy, but i don't see any of you actually countering my arguments, why shouldn't the rewards from the open tournament be increased? Why shouldn't the jumbo Cactpot be overhauled? You haven't countered my arguments either on winning the ring from the cactpot once every 64 years.

The counter argument is: It's a casino. You're not supposed to reliably win the jackpot. The ring is a "look how lucky I was" reward. If you want a "look how much time I spent in the Gold Saucer" reward you have the entire rest of the MGP item pool to choose from.

That said, I do agree about open tournaments. The payout is weirdly low for the time investment.

Why shouldn't there be an alternative way to earn MGP outside the Moogle event through combat?

I refer back to the classic "play the content if you want the rewards for that content." Imagine if this question was reversed and someone wanted to buy a raid mount with MGP? What would the reaction be?

And the 4m mount is on top of everything else, what's next, an 8m mount, and you will still be saying the same thing, that "it's easy to earn MGP in the gold saucer". Hell, I know it's easy, been doing it almost weekly, but the fact is that unless you want to spend months doing every gate in the gold saucer grinding stuff out, you are literally time gated by years without spending ungodly amounts of time in there.

The last time they added a big ticket mount was the 2m sabotender, and that was four years ago. If there's ever an 8m mount it's not going to be for a loooong time.

As gamers our inner loot goblins want it all and want it now, but you're not supposed to be able farm MGP quickly. Being a long, slow process is the intended design. You may not like the design, but that doesn't make it a broken system.

[Kuroka]

If its a Casino wheres my Poker, Roulett or Slot machine...?

There neeed to be better ways to farm... better then doing stuff you hate every week lol

[Brightamethyst]

If its a Casino wheres my Poker, Roulett or Slot machine...?

Real answer to your sarcastic question: Gambling laws prohibit it in many countries. That's why the Gold Saucer is almost completely self contained and has no actual gambling. It's the idea of a casino.

There neeed to be better ways to farm... better then doing stuff you hate every week lol

Not everyone likes everything and not all content is designed for all players. That's why there are so many different activities in the first place. It's okay for there to be rewards exclusive to the players who do different type of content. I mean, I'll never be an Ultimate level raider but you don't see me complaining that there aren't other ways to get the titles.

[Elevin]

The counter argument is: It's a casino. You're not supposed to reliably win the jackpot. The ring is a "look how lucky I was" reward. If you want a "look how much time I spent in the Gold Saucer" reward you have the entire rest of the MGP item pool to choose from.

That said, I do agree about open tournaments. The payout is weirdly low for the time investment.



I refer back to the classic "play the content if you want the rewards for that content." Imagine if this question was reversed and someone wanted to buy a raid mount with MGP? What would the reaction be?



The last time they added a big ticket mount was the 2m sabotender, and that was four years ago. If there's ever an 8m mount it's not going to be for a loooong time.

As gamers our inner loot goblins want it all and want it now, but you're not supposed to be able farm MGP quickly. Being a long, slow process is the intended design. You may not like the design, but that doesn't make it a broken system.

I know it may be a bit hard for older players to comprehend since you've been able to steadily earn MGP for years whilst the rewards have been introduced, so you can't understand the time scales... but lets be generous and say someone is earning 150k MGP a week on average each year. That's 7.8 million MGP a year. It will now take 3 years to earn almost everything. As I say, it's fine for you guys who have been at this for years and probably already have enough MGP each time something new gets introduced to buy it...but for the players that start now? They have a long hill to climb and the methods to climb it are the same as far as I can tell.

So why are you all so against increasing pay-outs for some things and making a permanent combat method to earn MGP?

I thought FF14 was supposed to be a welcoming and helpful community, but most of these forum users seem dedicated to gatekeeping. I'm getting flashbacks from when I used to play WoW now. Aren't we all adults here with lives, full time jobs and families?

[Iscah]

It will now take 3 years to earn almost everything.

So the key question, then, is do you actually want almost everything?

You can only summon one mount and one minion at a time. You may not like the glamour sets or hairstyles. The music scrolls are useless if you don't have a house or spend time at the inn room, and even then you still need to like the individual music tracks.

Once you've bought what you actually want and intend to use, then it doesn't really matter how long it will take to earn everything else. If you don't intend to be still playing in three years' time then it's not worth the effort to be collecting things just for the sake of collecting them, and as a late starter you're never going to be able to own "everything in the game" because some things are impossible to get now.

Also, if you're including them in your total, the Makai sets can also be bought with PVP currency and the PVP versions are dyeable. You also don't need the Emperor's New Shield as that was only a copy of the Makai invisible shield when those sets were temporarily unavailable due to licensing issues.

[Canadane]

I was capped at 9,999,999 for almost two years until they finally dropped the 4 mil mount.
I'll soon be capped again and I spend almost no time in there.

They should pay out significantly less.

[Brightamethyst]

I know it may be a bit hard for older players to comprehend since you've been able to steadily earn MGP for years whilst the rewards have been introduced, so you can't understand the time scales...
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They have a long hill to climb and the methods to climb it are the same as far as I can tell

You seems to be misunderstanding a few things about MGP generation, rewards, and "older players". The methods to climb the hill are definitely NOT the same. Yes, there is more to buy now, but MGP can also be accumulated much, MUCH faster.

First, the Gold Saucer launched with millions of MGP worth of items in the store. The old timers also had to do long, slow farm. They just did it a long time ago while you're doing it now. They still did the GATEs, raced the chocobos, etc just like you're doing now.

Second, MGP generation is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay faster now than it used to be. Fashion Report, increased GATE frequency, increased GATE rewards, increased challenge log rewards, open tournaments, and yes, moogle tomes, are all relatively recent in the grand scheme of things. GATEs used to be only twice an hour and rewarded 2-3.5k depending on the GATE, Typhon gave you nothing if you got blown off early and didn't count for the challenge log unless you won. Mini-cactpot tickets cost 600 MGP per day so you could actually lose MGP from them if you had bad cards/luck, etc.

So why are you all so against increasing pay-outs for some things and making a permanent combat method to earn MGP?

I'm not against increased payouts. I'm pointing out that the payouts have already increased and you're just not aware of it.

As for combat methods to earn MGP, yes, I am against that. I feel that people should actually have to do the content in order to get the rewards from said content. Just like you can't get raid rewards from fishing, or PvP rewards from treasure maps, and such, why should there be MGP rewards from non-Saucer related content? Does that mean some people will never get certain rewards because they don't do certain activities? Yes, but that's how it goes. It's okay for some rewards to be exclusive to specific activities.

[dspguy]

gold saucer is meant to be played over the lifetime of the games entirety. meaning it will always be there, it is never going away, therefore it should pay out as little as possible because if you get what you want right away you will stop going.

Bingo.

Take Jumbo Cactpot. As far as earning 1M MGP for the achievement (or just a weekly source of MGP), the average player will earn 1M cumulative MGP from the Jumbo within 2.5 years or earlier if they use Gold VIP Tickets to increase payout. And given the odds of non-1st prize winnings, the average weekly winnings is 7500 MGP. Sure, many will be around 4,000 (turn in early and/or use a VIP ticket). But those 4th prizes and a lucky 3rd prize add up and make the average payout closer to 7500/week.

As for the time it takes to earn rewards, I've done most of what can be done at the Gold Saucer - achievements and prizes. I still have 2.5M MGP leftover after buying the 4M MGP mount. Honestly, there really wasn't much to spend MGP on in this expansion. The 4M MGP mount was big, but prior to that, it was mostly small things. Some TT cards for example.

MGP is something you can grind if you want to, but for many players, the better way to do it is work towards a short-term goal and then keep doing it even when you don't want something so you have the MGP when something comes along that you do want. Do those weekly challenge log items, mini-cactpot, jumbo-cactpot, etc. There's probably an easy 100k/week from doing very little. Add up some of the challenges in the challenge log, maybe do the TT tournament every other week (that gets a bonus just for doing 10 TT matches). Do 3 choco races and win 1. Do 1 Open Tournament. Do a few GATEs for the log plus get the bonus for completing them.

Fashion Report alone gives 10k for just showing up.

Then your average Jumbo for the week gives about 7500 (long-term) and your daily mini-cactpot yields about 30k/week or 36k/week if you use VIP tickets. And then there is the usually at least once per expansion Make It Rain campaign where nearly all winnings double.

Lots of ways to earn MGP without grinding for hours on just one aspect of it.

[Elevin]

I don't think i came to the right place for intelligible debates. All it has been is "MGP payouts are fine, you can do it all in ten years and I still have 4m MGP left from buying the latest mount even though my account is from 2013".

Bear in mind that part of the Yoshi Ps philosophy of this game is to play as much or as little as you want. But to get anywhere with the Gold Saucer, you have to essentially play FF14 religiously every week...