Gold Saucer issues

[Frizze]

So there is a chance you are wildly under-estimating "the amount of MGP you can reasonably earn each week". The FF 15 crossover event has run a couple times now, with the car costing 200k MGP(and a few other rewards adding the total required to around 300k if you wanted everything). Each time people less familiar with the saucer have come to the boards to either complain about how they could never earn that much in the 4-6 weeks the event was running or to learn how to get that much quickly. Well it turns out that with less then 2 hours a week(im not in game right now to put together the actual minutes required) you can make well over 250k MGP. If you spend your saucer time wisely you can hit 125-150k in roughly 30 mins(between prizes and challenge log payouts).

Also while you are correct that the list of rewards is ever growing, they actually add items to it very slowly. This entire expansion(6.0-current in 6.3) theyve added less then 5 mil worth of rewards, and as you yourself noted 4 mil of those are the one new mount. The entire Shadowbringers cycle was maybe 3.5 mil, and 2 of that was in the sabotender mount.

[Brightamethyst]

So there is a chance you are wildly under-estimating "the amount of MGP you can reasonably earn each week".

Yeah. While there's no fast way to farm infinite MGP, you can easily get 150-200k per week even with minimal effort. 60k from the fashion report (5 minutes), 60-80k from the challenge log (maybe 20 minutes if you ignore some of the more time consuming ones like 20 races and mahjong), GATEs (you'd be doing them for the challenge log anyway), cactpot (2 minutes per day/week.) It'll still take a while to get 4 million, but it's hardly an impossible task for a new player.

[Elevin]

I see old players saying it's easy, but i don't see any of you actually countering my arguments, why shouldn't the rewards from the open tournament be increased? Why shouldn't the jumbo Cactpot be overhauled? You haven't countered my arguments either on winning the ring from the cactpot once every 64 years. The only thing you have come back at me with is "it's easy to earn MGP at the gold saucer". But all i see is old accounts claiming this. Why shouldn't there be an alternative way to earn MGP outside the Moogle event through combat? And the 4m mount is on top of everything else, what's next, an 8m mount, and you will still be saying the same thing, that "it's easy to earn MGP in the gold saucer". Hell, I know it's easy, been doing it almost weekly, but the fact is that unless you want to spend months doing every gate in the gold saucer grinding stuff out, you are literally time gated by years without spending ungodly amounts of time in there.

[Brightamethyst]

I see old players saying it's easy, but i don't see any of you actually countering my arguments, why shouldn't the rewards from the open tournament be increased? Why shouldn't the jumbo Cactpot be overhauled? You haven't countered my arguments either on winning the ring from the cactpot once every 64 years.

The counter argument is: It's a casino. You're not supposed to reliably win the jackpot. The ring is a "look how lucky I was" reward. If you want a "look how much time I spent in the Gold Saucer" reward you have the entire rest of the MGP item pool to choose from.

That said, I do agree about open tournaments. The payout is weirdly low for the time investment.

Why shouldn't there be an alternative way to earn MGP outside the Moogle event through combat?

I refer back to the classic "play the content if you want the rewards for that content." Imagine if this question was reversed and someone wanted to buy a raid mount with MGP? What would the reaction be?

And the 4m mount is on top of everything else, what's next, an 8m mount, and you will still be saying the same thing, that "it's easy to earn MGP in the gold saucer". Hell, I know it's easy, been doing it almost weekly, but the fact is that unless you want to spend months doing every gate in the gold saucer grinding stuff out, you are literally time gated by years without spending ungodly amounts of time in there.

The last time they added a big ticket mount was the 2m sabotender, and that was four years ago. If there's ever an 8m mount it's not going to be for a loooong time.

As gamers our inner loot goblins want it all and want it now, but you're not supposed to be able farm MGP quickly. Being a long, slow process is the intended design. You may not like the design, but that doesn't make it a broken system.

[Elevin]

The counter argument is: It's a casino. You're not supposed to reliably win the jackpot. The ring is a "look how lucky I was" reward. If you want a "look how much time I spent in the Gold Saucer" reward you have the entire rest of the MGP item pool to choose from.

That said, I do agree about open tournaments. The payout is weirdly low for the time investment.



I refer back to the classic "play the content if you want the rewards for that content." Imagine if this question was reversed and someone wanted to buy a raid mount with MGP? What would the reaction be?



The last time they added a big ticket mount was the 2m sabotender, and that was four years ago. If there's ever an 8m mount it's not going to be for a loooong time.

As gamers our inner loot goblins want it all and want it now, but you're not supposed to be able farm MGP quickly. Being a long, slow process is the intended design. You may not like the design, but that doesn't make it a broken system.

I know it may be a bit hard for older players to comprehend since you've been able to steadily earn MGP for years whilst the rewards have been introduced, so you can't understand the time scales... but lets be generous and say someone is earning 150k MGP a week on average each year. That's 7.8 million MGP a year. It will now take 3 years to earn almost everything. As I say, it's fine for you guys who have been at this for years and probably already have enough MGP each time something new gets introduced to buy it...but for the players that start now? They have a long hill to climb and the methods to climb it are the same as far as I can tell.

So why are you all so against increasing pay-outs for some things and making a permanent combat method to earn MGP?

I thought FF14 was supposed to be a welcoming and helpful community, but most of these forum users seem dedicated to gatekeeping. I'm getting flashbacks from when I used to play WoW now. Aren't we all adults here with lives, full time jobs and families?

[Kuroka]

If its a Casino wheres my Poker, Roulett or Slot machine...?

There neeed to be better ways to farm... better then doing stuff you hate every week lol

[Brightamethyst]

If its a Casino wheres my Poker, Roulett or Slot machine...?

Real answer to your sarcastic question: Gambling laws prohibit it in many countries. That's why the Gold Saucer is almost completely self contained and has no actual gambling. It's the idea of a casino.

There neeed to be better ways to farm... better then doing stuff you hate every week lol

Not everyone likes everything and not all content is designed for all players. That's why there are so many different activities in the first place. It's okay for there to be rewards exclusive to the players who do different type of content. I mean, I'll never be an Ultimate level raider but you don't see me complaining that there aren't other ways to get the titles.

[Canadane]

I was capped at 9,999,999 for almost two years until they finally dropped the 4 mil mount.
I'll soon be capped again and I spend almost no time in there.

They should pay out significantly less.

[Elevin]

I don't think i came to the right place for intelligible debates. All it has been is "MGP payouts are fine, you can do it all in ten years and I still have 4m MGP left from buying the latest mount even though my account is from 2013".

Bear in mind that part of the Yoshi Ps philosophy of this game is to play as much or as little as you want. But to get anywhere with the Gold Saucer, you have to essentially play FF14 religiously every week...

[Hasrat]

I don't think i came to the right place for intelligible debates. All it has been is "MGP payouts are fine, you can do it all in ten years and I still have 4m MGP left from buying the latest mount even though my account is from 2013".

You keep throwing out the "you've been doing it for years" argument. What you don't understand, from the point of view of someone that hasn't done it for years, is that MGP payout has been buffed over time. Let's count the ways:

Lord of Verminion. Only introduced in 3.1. Lots of first time bonus MGP, as well as additional Challenge Log entries for weekly gains.
Mini Cactpot: Cost of entry used to be high enough that you could actually lose MGP on bad cards. Cost now reduced to be a guaranteed profit.
Jumbo Cactpot: Used to be one entry per week. They've literally tripled your profits here, as well as tripling your (incredibly small) chance of hitting a jackpot.
Mahjong has been introduced, with associated Challenge Log entries, for players inclined towards the game.
Fashion Report: Wasn't added until 4.2. Weekly 10,000 participation reward is frankly huge for no effort, and a few minutes of research and legwork can add on an additional 50,000.
GATEs: Used to run twice an hour, x:15 and x:45. GATEs run three times an hour now, significantly increasing MGP gain.
Additionally (and, someone correct me if I'm wrong here), Any Way The Wind Blows has been changed to scaling payout, awarding more than just a consolation prize if you can at least survive past the first round. At the very least, payout has been significantly increased since release.
Also also, the GATEs themselves have been cycled. Players would often complain about failing the old Skinchange We Can Believe In or Vase Off GATEs.
Think you maybe also had to pay MGP to participate in GATEs...
Squadrons have been introduced, which give individual players access to MGP buffs without taking up an FC buff slot.
The moogle tomestone event has been introduced, giving players a means of acquiring MGP through content outside of Gold Saucer.
One could argue that TT has gotten easier over time with the addition of new cards allowing any player to make a reasonably powerful/reliable deck, lots of easily accessible Challenge Log MGP from here.

So. Yeah. The biggest reason older players aren't as on board with increasing payouts is because we're all entirely aware that payouts have already been increased over time.