Inconsistencies with the sundering (Spoilers)

[Atelier-Bagur]

These are all great questions that are currently unanswered and we can only hope that square tries to patch these plot holes up. That reminds me that I have even more questions myself.

Can sundered ascians use dynamis? What about sundered primals? Both sundered ascians and sundered primals are less aetherically dense so theoretically they could wield dynamis as another power source. If anyone knew the answers to that feel free to say so here.

probably? Although considering the amount of aetherical power a single Ascian had, they probably still lacked true potential to manipulate dynamis.

[PeaTearGriffin]

You forget that Meteion was at the edge of the universe. The Ancients could'nt have killed her even if they tried, nor even then be able to manipulate and counter the gathered dynamis in Ultima Thule to their advantage. The Ancients were focused on rebuilding their world than wanting to fight despair.

Even then if we're going to start nitpicking the story like this, then we might as well go ALL the way back to every single thing in this story to nitpick some of the power inconsistencies if this is truly such a bother. Why is a single WoL more powerful than another set of WoLs? How come Nidhogg took his sweet time to ravage Ishgard unless if we're treating him like Meteion....maybe he wasnt trying hard enough? How come the Garleans with all their superior magitek still lost the war? What about Emet-Selch whom lived multiple lives and for thousand of years suddenly thought "oh I wonder if maybe I try to understand these people and follow them". Its stuff like this when you start dissecting a simple jrpg story causes more unnecessary crutches and issues that would make the average story cynic have an aneurysm.

Hermes designed a being that could reach the edge of the universe. The people from the source designed a ship that could reach the edge of the universe. Suddenly going to the edge of the universe is impossible? Also the scenario we're discussing includes a fan theory that involves a much more powerful zodiark. You're not keeping up with the discussion.

There's no need to shut down players examining the story with more granularity. If you can't handle that, this might not be the best thread for you to stick around in.

[SannaR]

Hermes designed a being that could reach the edge of the universe. The people from the source designed a ship that could reach the edge of the universe. Suddenly going to the edge of the universe is impossible? Also the scenario we're discussing includes a fan theory that involves a much more powerful zodiark. You're not keeping up with the discussion.

There's no need to shut down players examining the story with more granularity. If you can't handle that, this might not be the best thread for you to stick around in.

The ancients would have needed to know that the 1st summoning of Zodiark had actually done the job and not have delayed the Final Days. It took a giant crystal formed over 12,000 years turned into the form of various primals to get a ship to the edge of the universe. Remember the only person we know for certain that knew about Meteion by the time the Final Days started was Venat. Also if this is going to turn into another oh my law the writing of this expansion is so crap there's already a thread about that. You'll also probably just get a lot more push back because this topic has been beaten to death and rehashed that even Death themselves has gotten tired. It's over a year now.

[Atelier-Bagur]

Hermes designed a being that could reach the edge of the universe. The people from the source designed a ship that could reach the edge of the universe. Suddenly going to the edge of the universe is impossible? Also the scenario we're discussing includes a fan theory that involves a much more powerful zodiark. You're not keeping up with the discussion.

There's no need to shut down players examining the story with more granularity. If you can't handle that, this might not be the best thread for you to stick around in.

Just trying to put some perspective because a lot of these points feel like nitpicks. Again Ive addressed that the Ancients themselves were too focused on rebuilding their world to even consider going to the edge of the universe. It was certainly possible but their own crutches with lack of dynamis wouldnt have gotten them far. Also yeah, they were able to create beings like Meteion who could do it for them, but look how well that turned out for them.

[PeaTearGriffin]

Just trying to put some perspective because a lot of these points feel like nitpicks.

And that's fine because there's no rules on these forums that say we can't nitpick.

Again Ive addressed that the Ancients themselves were too focused on rebuilding their world to even consider going to the edge of the universe.

Again I'm discussing with someone else their personal fan theory. It's obviously not going to be an exact match with how the ancients from the actual game's story felt at the time.

[Atelier-Bagur]

And that's fine because there's no rules on these forums that say we can't nitpick.

and thats fine as there arent any rules on these forums where I cant nitpick your nitpick c:

[PeaTearGriffin]

and thats fine as there arent any rules on these forums where I cant nitpick your nitpick c:

So you're admitting that you would rather just sit here and be a bother.

[GTK0HLK]

High Concentrations of Aether act like barriers to Dynamis.
a Dense core that cannot be broken by Dynamis(that normally/)which is like a trickle of water.
Course, as she collected more and more Emotion and memories, they gained that energy and forced it into a river and flow that could eventually break the shielding apart.
[Hence how Hermes realized that the Final Days began where the Celestial Aether was Thinnest. Where the chain was weakest.]

Since the Ancients were so Dense and Powerful with Aether, like others said, they had very limited ways to know of its existence(or care, seeing as their Aether was plentiful). Kinda like how in today's Science we have Dark Matter, despite that being a deep "but actually" topic.

In Short we are Thin Enough, that emotion/potential Took care of the rest. Eventually.
[Whilst Meteion having collected so much Dynamis, was able to bring about destruction and change instantly. Once they had surrounded the Ancients Eitherys.]

As for the Whole Trio Escaping, alot of infer from what the last three have said, but nothing concrete from the main Writers, and just Basic understanding from the LL as others noted.

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As for the rest, a Sundered Ascian would just be an a person elevated to their past stored memories/seat. everything else is just a fragment with a set limit of Aether.

<No way of knowing if they kept any knowledge, or bothered at all with Dynamis, seeing as we don't know their livelyhood before Taking their seat, and what the memories installed in them. there are few unknowns but it's possible they are gone by now. and seeing as a famous sundered one did their own goals after the big three faded out, they probably went their own way as well>

and primal are concepts of a sort, if they are living, soulless, or not. it depends on how you define and view it.(which seeing what the story tells us, there is a difference of having a soul, or not. or using up your soul fully or not. and the fact that it shouldn't matter. but it would have an effect on whether it has emotion, or expected/coded emotion)

I would say the ARR<->SB Primals have varying levels of do not, cannot, and probably will not, seeing their excess interest in Gathering Crystals and not Dynamis/Emotional Conduits.
[whilst a few Primals SEEM to go beyond just Aether Hungry Entities, but that just maybe the concept that they were borne of. Like the Purple Sylphs, Red Kojin, etc.
[Though the MotherCrystal Born Primals used to feed the ragnarok are without the Subjugation/Tempering mech as also different]

tldr complex, no concrete explanation.

[Atelier-Bagur]

So you're admitting that you would rather just sit here and be a bother.

Only if you're just going to continue ignoring the points Im debating your nitpicks with

[Absimiliard]

To note, we are shown quite conclusively that the ancients could interact with Dynamis.