Inconsistencies with the sundering (Spoilers)

[kpxmanifesto]

Unfortunately, I don't really have the time to read everyone’s responses, but I’ll at least break down my reasoning for why I’m siding with OP. I’ve posted something like this earlier in this same thread too, but I’ll post it again, so nobody has to check through all the pages.

During the Letter from the Producer LIVE Part LXVIII, Yoshi P just seemed kind of unprepared to answer the fans' questions about EW's lore. He was stumbling a lot when answering questions or outright deflecting them, and it wasn't a very satisfying Q and A session for people either seeking answers to unresolved storylines or trying to fill plot holes.

He'd make comments like "I didn't actually imagine anybody would ask this" (3:40:57) or "wow you guys are paying close attention to this game!" (3:45:55). Like, dude this game is renowned for its story. Why is the guy so surprised that fans are looking for closure and want to ask questions that tie up loose ends?

He would also deflect some of the questions by saying things like "when you're making this world you'll just sort of sometimes ignore things that are inconvenient" (4:25:35) and "I think you guys can come up with your own theories for this one" (4:08:49).

The overall vibe just felt really off, and Yoshi P looked visibly uncomfortable as he struggled to answer fans' questions about the lore, moving around nervously, looking straight up at the ceiling, grimacing, etc. He was pretty much in damage control mode for the entire duration of answering questions related to the MSQ.

After seeing his attitude during the Q and A session it became clear to me why the game retcons itself and produces continuity errors like the ones OP mentioned. The dev team just has a habit of, as Yoshi P would put it: “ignoring things that are inconvenient.”

You can watch the whole thing here at: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRpdIL7_NII

Anyways, I’m out of time for today as there’s other things in life that need tending to. Thanks everyone for engaging with me in this conversation. Have a good day.

[PeaTearGriffin]

After seeing his attitude during the Q and A session it became clear to me why the game retcons itself and produces continuity errors like the ones OP mentioned. The dev team just has a habit of, as Yoshi P would put it: “ignoring things that are inconvenient.”

That would explain this horrendous cutscene in endwalker that retcons what emet selch said in shadowbringers. Of course square enix tried to save it by rewriting the story to include both of the explanations from shadowbringers and endwalker in Tales of the Dawn, but it's too late and the damage has already been done.

[MikkoAkure]

And that's why the OP is calling it a retcon. Such a crucial and definitive moment in the game and the writer forgets or refuses to add that in?

And what I was saying is that it makes much more sense that the devs decided to make a weird stylistic choice to throw in this abstract cutscene at the climax of a decade-long story in an effort to be cinematic. Rather than the writers either straight-up forgetting their own story but only at this specific part, or a conspiracy theory that they purposefully simplified things to make it easier on the devs and then backpedaled later on with a “double retcon”.

This is a textbook example of Reductio ad Absurdum. It's not going to work here.

No, I was just listing things that actually make more sense as retcons than this that fit the definition you provided, but no one really argues or complains about as being retcons. Calling things out with discourse buzzwords doesn’t suddenly make you right.

My point is that something being a retcon is more subjective than “anything and everything that fits a specific dictionary definition”. I don’t see reveals as retcons and there’s nothing in this that contradicts with information that we knew before, unless you take the cutscene as literal as the OP does.


As I said before, Hydaelyn/Venat was already said to have done what she did due to her personal morals back in Shadowbringers. Then in 5.2, she and her people mention Zodiark not being a permanent solution which connects directly to the motives we learn about at the end of Elpis so there’s still been continuity this whole time and no contradictions.

Just because we get one confusing cutscene, additional fuel for her to do what she already does added to her already existing list of personal excuses for the Sundering, and no Hydaelyn-Zodiark beat down like we should have had means that there’s a retcon.

[Pratini]

Calling the Venat cutscene "horrendous".

You all need to touch grass it's just a video game.

[R041]

Calling the Venat cutscene "horrendous".

You all need to touch grass it's just a video game.

Checking your char and it's only 6mo old with that amount of progress? Looks like you need to touch some of that grass too. lol

[Pratini]

Checking your char and it's only 6mo old with that amount of progress? Looks like you need to touch some of that grass too. lol

Well it's a video game so I play it.

You people are arguing about consistency in a video game story as If it was the Bible.

Kind of weird if you ask me.

Who cares if stuff get retconned? Visions change... decisions are made... again who cares? Is it too hard to just enjoy the god damn game?

[R041]

Well it's a video game so I play it.

You people are arguing about consistency in a video game story as If it was the Bible.

Kind of weird if you ask me.

Who cares if stuff get retconned? Visions change... decisions are made... again who cares? Is it too hard to just enjoy the god damn game?

I mean, I'm not a part of that argument. I just noticed you might need to touch grass too. FLIP THE SCRIPT

But to be fair to them.. People want to keep saying this is an RPGMMO and all about the story "Who cares if our combat and questing is horrible? It's about the writing!", so you can't really blame them if they start arguing about the story when they have nothing else in the game to actually do.

[Pratini]

I mean, I'm not a part of that argument. I just noticed you might need to touch grass too. FLIP THE SCRIPT

Oh I take that as a compliment.

"6 month old character accomplished stuff the majority of people will take years"

But yeah this character became my main after the Dynamis launch because of housing so I skipped pretty much everything I already experienced previously.

#SkipperLife

[Reimar]

Is it too hard to just enjoy the god damn game?

I think a solid 80% of the people on this forum pay money for a product they hate, and they're mad that the universe doesn't bend to their will.

It confuses me to no end.

Once upon a time I played an MMO that rhymes with Burled of SnoreCraft, but eventually the story became something I deemed unenjoyable and dumb.

So I stopped paying its devs money, and found a game I like.

[R041]

Once upon a time I played an MMO that rhymes with Burled of SnoreCraft, but eventually the story became something I deemed unenjoyable and dumb.

So I stopped paying its devs money, and found a game I like.

That's just how MMOs are, we all pay for things we hate.

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See you all in 10 years, when we continue this topic.