Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[Bobby66]

I don't wish for cheaters to burn at the stake, only to face the consequences of their choice. Now if I had undeniable proof that someone was cheating, reported them and they faced punishment would that not suggest the devs support this much at least?

I have no interest in witch hunting but I also have no desire to watch the playerbase shoots themselves in the foot because they lack self-control and any personal dignity when it concerns skill. If there are consequences later for the choices of these players then what right would I have to complain if I knew and sat there but chose to do or say nothing?

Live and let live....until you pay the price.

What price is the community going face in a realistic sense? SE will most likely never add a Spyware type thing, it would not make much sense to remove ultimates altogether, that is pretty much the only time FFXIV trends on twitch outside of expansions.

Hell one could even make the argument that show casing these mods shows the devs how it positively impacts player experience.

Like I would not be shocked come 7.0 we are allowed to zoom out even further. Yoshi-P is not dumb he understand tye importance of ultimates.

This reminds me of the fear mongering around buying in game currency. As someone that sold WoW gold as a kid and allowed me to buy mu first car. The buyer is largely safe from punishment for the most part. Sure some get caught but more often then not they are safe. Also the one selling the gold is more likely to get scammed via charge backs

[Kolaina]

lmao oh give me a break, there is no need to remove content because people use a zoom hack or use mods to look better on their screen

stop with the excuses

You’re the one who said about removing content. I said remove the player. So you give me a break. Gaslighting. You are barely keeping track of your own arguments

[Mosha]

I agree with him, says the guy who has raided since Creator if you want to play the strawman.

that's fine dude, makes your opinion worth more to me than his.

Like I don't get the whole concept of everybody's opinion is worth the same. like I'm not going to treat some guy who raided in EQ2 the same as someone who currently raids in FFXIV. like that's just silly.

[Rolder50]

But what if they did decide to remove Ultimate or something similar because of it? You can blame the devs if you want but it was simply a reaction to what the players were doing when they had the choice not to. At that point it would affect you and you chose to do nothing.

It would be a reaction to what the players are doing, but it would be a totally overblown and stupid reaction, so therefore it's still on the devs.

[Midareyukki]

That wouldn't happen either way. The game has a known botting issue, either for farming drops, dungeon items, gathering nodes or Eureka. SE purges botters in waves. They haven't removed loot drops, gathering nodes or Eureka so far. This likely won't happen with Ultimate fights either.

But they do work on retaliating against people who actively cheat, especially the ones where there's immediate proof. Or at least, remove their clear in this case.
Which is what's always happened: They've always acted on cheaters whenever something's happened with direct proof of it. Because those are the guys they pay attention to.

[Imora]

Yes, and so is crossing a red light for pedestrians even if it's 3 AM and there's no cars around, so ? Do you see cops going all over the place arresting or giving citations to people crossing red pedestrian lights when there's no cars around ? No. Except overzealous cops.

Is it agaisnt TOS ? Yes, does anyone care aside from a small minority ? No.

I've seen bicycles pulled over for speeding AND running lights.

There's MANY places where if you get spotted, you're getting ticketed, and cops in the US tend to be very bored and ticket hungry.

[Zebraoracle]

I mean, people standing around afk showing off their in-game earned gear has been a thing in MMOs forever. Especially raiders that typically have very unique items compared to the majority of the playerbase. It's just one of the rewards for tackling difficult content.

I've seen people do it here with their weapon skins and rare mounts.

Not everyone has to care about this, but a lot of long-time raiders probably had a moment where they were proud of something unique they earned due to overcoming challenge. It's a small symbol of pride in the context of your hobby. Don't try to make people sound like they have "bigger issues" than simply taking pride in something they accomplished.

EDIT: Hit my post limit for today.



The unique gear / mount only accessible to successful raiders is the representation of the accomplishment. To some people, that carries prestige in the context of their hobby. I don't see how this rises to "yikes" and "bigger issues." It's fine you place little value on these things, but that's not the case for everyone. It can just be a small token that they get to show off in game. I'm not the one with a melodramatic reaction - I'm sure you just dislike me as a poster which I'm completely fine with.

Just saw this. For one, who are you that I should waste my time disliking you? I don't mean that in a disparaging way, I literally just can't be bothered to care about holding grudges against someone I disagree with on the forums of an MMO. People disagree with each other, big whoop, unlike some people (especially in this thread...) I don't take that as a personal attack, so just because we disagree doesn't mean I dislike you. There's always another human on the other side of the screen, something a lot of people forget.

Second, you're misrepresenting my words again. I care about my own achievements because I only do stuff in this game that I find enjoyable. I care about my friends' achievements because they are my friends and I'm interested in what they've got going on. I don't give two craps about Joe Shmoe afking in Limsa with a glowy weapon in his hands, and judging by everyone running past him, neither do most people. In fact, I've seen more memes and mockery of these people than admiration (anecdotal evidence, so take it as you will). That's what I think of every time someone comes into these threads complaining about the "prestige" of raiding (you are not the first), and every time those people show it's just about ego for them, which to me is baffling and yes does make it seem like those people have issues. Like why is it so important for you (you in general not specifically) to be able to show off to strangers that don't know or care about you? Hell, maybe I'm just jaded from so many of these stupid discussions that just go round and round in circles lol

[ZephyrMenodora]

Just saw this. For one, who are you that I should waste my time disliking you? I don't mean that in a disparaging way, I literally just can't be bothered to care about holding grudges against someone I disagree with on the forums of an MMO.

Second, you're misrepresenting my words again. I care about my own achievements because I only do stuff in this game that I find enjoyable. I care about my friends' achievements because they are my friends and I'm interested in what they've got going on. I don't give two craps about Joe Shmoe afking in Limsa with a glowy weapon in his hands, and judging by everyone running past him, neither do most people. In fact, I've seen more memes and mockery of these people than admiration (anecdotal evidence, so take it as you will). That's what I think of every time someone comes into these threads complaining about the "prestige" of raiding (you are not the first), and every time those people show it's just about ego for them, which to me is baffling and yes does make it seem like those people have issues. Like why is it so important for you (you in general not specifically) to be able to show off to strangers that don't know or care about you? Hell, maybe I'm just jaded from so many of these stupid discussions that just go round and round in circles lol

Because it's an mmo, and a small fun part of MMOs is showing off your accomplishments. That's why there are titles, and unique mounts and things for certain achievements, raiding or otherwise. It doesn't mean someone has a huge ego, or overvalues their MMO accomplishments in their real life. It's just a fun thing because this is a hobby and a game. One you clearly don't care about at all, which is fine, but doesn't mean people can't have their fun and show off a little when they spent weeks / months as a coordinated team to down the most challenging content. Letting them show off their shiny thing almost no one else has doesn't mean they need a therapist.

I've been traveling across the country for two days, I'm too exhausted to bother trying to explaining this a third time since you're still not getting my point. Agree to disagree and all that jazz.

I understand your point. You just can't see that not all players think like you do about it. I can see cool current-gear raid gear or mounts out and about being used by *gasp* total strangers and think it's a neat/cool thing they have. Some players like to sit in town AFK showing off the shiny new thing. Doesn't mean it's "all about ego" and the only reason they raid. It's just a small part of raiding for some raiders who accomplished something most players haven't.

You don't feel this way, which is fine. I can understand your point of view - you are the one seemingly unable to comprehend the other side and then act like I'm the one confused.

[Zebraoracle]

Because it's an mmo, and a small fun part of MMOs is showing off your accomplishments. That's why there are titles, and unique mounts and things for certain achievements, raiding or otherwise. It doesn't mean someone has a huge ego, or overvalues their MMO accomplishments in their real life. It's just a fun thing because this is a hobby and a game. One you clearly don't care about at all, which is fine, but doesn't mean people can't have their fun and show off a little when they spent weeks / months as a coordinated team to down the most challenging content. Letting them show off their shiny thing almost no one else has doesn't mean they need a therapist.

I've been traveling across the country for two days, I'm too exhausted to bother trying to explaining this a third time since you're still not getting my point. Agree to disagree and all that jazz.

[Hoodcat]

What was this thread about again?