Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[Bobby66]

What they feel doesn't matter.
SE's game. SE's rules.
They are on SE's turf and acting like an elephant in a porcelain shop.

What they do on their own time in their life is up to them, but not here.
If they use such cheats then they're breaking those rules irregardless of 'how they feel' 'what they think'.
It really does not get simpler than that.

Let me rephrase it, you telling them that they broke ToS, SE word is law matters to them on a personal level? They do not feel like they cheated, they are going to do it and most likely go unpunished thus fueling their own conformation bias that what they are doing is okay.

By word of SE they are breaking the rules, a rule that cannot be enforced outside of self snitching what is really going to happen? It is kind of the reverse, your feelings on the subject to do not matter, until SE can come up with a means of enforcing their rules without the reliance on self snitching people are going to cheat, and they are going to get away with it.

This is a one sided beef that makes zero sense to me honestly.

[Coatl]

There's no way to guarantee that no one else in your group is cheating, and no way to guarantee the new recruits won't also be cheating.

I wouldn't have kicked them. Especially being that far into TOP. Cacbot has existed forever and is more cheaty than a zoom hack in my opinion. But you're raid lead, you can decide what kind of environment you want to uphold. Just know that access to plugins and mods has never been easier than it is now.

[Bukachu]

I say snitches get stiches

[Zsolen]

I'd question a raid leader that didn't kick a cheater.

[Rolder50]

According to the TOS that have been quoted here it literally is. The definition on this type of cheat IS clearly worded.
What you personally think is worth exactly zero.

And according to SE themselves (https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=68216)

- Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse-engineering game software or data.
- Creating, distributing, using, or promoting utilities that interact with the game.

Are also not allowed. So no voice chat since it's a utility that interacts with the game. No logging either! Oh and no keyboard key remappings either, that's a utility!

[Zebraoracle]

Probably is fake, which is why I feel a little dumb that I keep posting in the thread lol.

I mean all we have to do is look at who OP is and see that it's a troll thread, but OP posted the lowest hanging fruit possible for the current time so of course they got a ton of bites.

[Mosha]

And according to SE themselves (https://support.na.square-enix.com/f...la=1&kid=68216)

- Modifying, analyzing, integrating, and/or reverse-engineering game software or data.
- Creating, distributing, using, or promoting utilities that interact with the game.

Are also not allowed. So no voice chat since it's a utility that interacts with the game. No logging either! Oh and no keyboard key remappings either, that's a utility!

Even Gamerespace is against TOS if you take it to the extreme. If I recall Yoship made a comment in jest about discord and excel being third party tools.

[Zebraoracle]

Either way done with this thread.

I hope everyone who breaks the TOS by cheating will eventually get banned.

Then we'll see 'what they think' or 'what they feel' is worth when they try to ban appeal.

I'm going to actually break my stance of not really getting involved in this troll thread.

People with this mindset are absolutely insufferable, you realize that right? It doesn't matter how correct or incorrect you are, the moment you basically start calling for divine punishment against those you disagree with out of some sense of self-righteousness is the moment you reveal how truly arrogant you actually are. You called someone else "fourteen", but this mindset is literally the kid in a classroom who tells the teacher that one of their classmates is passing notes or whatever. Yeah, they're breaking rules, but what does it get you? A momentary feeling of self-righteousness at the cost of ruining any and all relationships you have? And in this case over a freaking video game? The thing that a lot of people are playing for their own enjoyment and distraction from life? The idea of someone breaking the rules hurts you so much that you're going to sit here and hope they get banned, even though as long as they're smart about what they're doing (aka not advertising to the world that they're using mods) no one would ever have a chance of even knowing about.

Cheating is bad, yes, most of us agree on that.

Witch hunting people for using mods is also bad, if not worse, especially because YoshiP said he doesn't want people doing this. Why is it okay to pick and choose which statements YoshiP makes to crusade for while ignoring others?

And the funny part is, if what someone said earlier in the thread is true, the zoom hack isn't even a cheat considering if you have a good monitor, you basically already zoom out to where the zoom hack lets you zoom to.
The sad part is, someone asked earlier in the thread about using a shader for colorblind accessibility and you acted like they were cheating. They literally CAN'T PLAY THE GAME due to the game's already poor accessibility options, how is bringing it up to the standard *everyone else has* in any way shape or form "cheating"? Against the TOS? Sure, probably, but cheating? Where's the "unfair advantage"?

Sorry, but white knight holier than thou crusaders that literally go against YoshiP's wishes by acting like the game's police and start calling for bans and wrath are far more appalling to me than someone who uses mods.

[RobynDaBank]

But if SQEX won't put anticheat in the game and task the community to report, which in turn gets called bootlickers/hall monitors for doing just that, what's one to do?

[VelKallor]

But if SQEX won't put anticheat in the game

You DO NOT WANT an anticheat in FF 14.

You dont. Trust me on this.

, but this mindset is literally the kid in a classroom who tells the teacher that one of their classmates is passing notes or whatever.

"Teacher, the guy in the third row is passing notes to the guy next to him in this exam" Id report that in a heartbeat.

Sorry, but white knight holier than thou crusaders that literally go against YoshiP's wishes by acting like the game's police and start calling for bans and wrath are far more appalling to me than someone who uses mods.

Still, waiting to hear why it is that people who tell others they are better at the game need cheats to win. If you cant beat the hardest content on your own merits...then that a skill issue.

Isnt it?