Quote Originally Posted by Kansene View Post
You're pretty much correct in all of this.
I explained my own stance a few pages back, that while I dislike gameplay mods (and don't give a toss about aesthetic ones), I can simply choose not to play with those I find out are using them, and they can play with all the cheats and hacks they want. Their "achievements" will always be fake and hollow to me, but they probably don't feel the same way.

I'm not ever going to go after people in a serious out-for-blood manner for using them, but I'm definitely going to make fun of it.
And this is imo one of those VERY rare cases where the other side retorting in kind makes little to no sense to me. "Loool look at this person playing the game as intended!"
.......well, yes?
Making fun of people is a perfectly fair thing to do, I participated in making fun of unnamed myself. The memes created during that were a good time. If we make fun of other people we need to be prepared to get made fun of ourselves.

Quote Originally Posted by LianaThorne View Post
Shaming isn't right in the situation but you also can't expect everyone to live in a hive mind and follow the rules as well. Even more so if the rules in this situation aren't able to be monitored properly. We don't have that in real life, why would it exist in an online social setting? If there is a more convienent way to do things with little to no consequences for anyone unless they happen to be a well known streamer or group of people, then some will act on that. Getting mad at them for using a loophole that the devs have no interest to fix is attacking the wrong group of people in my opinion.

I know that there are some reasons relating to law as to why they're hesitant to install anti-cheat but I wouldn't be shocked if profit loss was also something they recognized as a possibility. Not just because those who rely on plugins (for both raiding and accessbility/further customization) but also the entire community that uses mods would be put into a position to consider abandoning ship. People literally make a living off selling mods for this game, it's not just a tiny minority who uses them.
I'm not convinced by yoship stating legal reasons. Profit loss seems the far more likely reason as to why there is no anti cheat in this game and I dont even mean that just in the way that all the people using any kind of mod will just stop playing. Anti cheat isnt a one and done thing, it's a constant arm's race. PVP focused games are constantly trying to push their anti cheat systems further because to them the image of cheating happening is highly damaging to their reputation. No one wants to play against cheaters. And yet that still isnt enough to stop cheating from happening. Current mods would be insanely easy to detect for any anti cheat software but that wouldnt stay that way.
SE has another way out however because people using mods isnt nearly as reputation damaging as it is for valorant for example. They can just simply look the other way for most of the time. In this regard yoship's statement this time seems very fatalistic and childish to me and I dont expect him to do the irrational act of stopping ultimates. SE's approach of 'dont ask, dont tell' isnt them being benevolent, it's them being realistic and levelheaded. It's beneficial for them to not be draconic on this.