Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[VelKallor]

Thank god some people like you are hollier than thou and never do anything wrong be it in game or in life. They also follow every single rule, in both situations and never fail, never will.

Rolder was in fact right. I dont raid anymore. Tired of it long ago. I am past caring.

Stormpeaks: you know whats missing in this whole mess? The fact that has been elided over or ignored or bypassed?

Its that no, I dont do savage or ex or ulitmate, I do a lot of other things that are just as interesting. But..the difference between us is this: I dont set myself up as a "better player that beats harder content", Im not the one calling others "bads" or calling for normal content to be harder "because the playerbase doesnt want to get better at the game"....whatever I have accomplished ingame, whatever I have earned, I have achieved ON MY OWN MERITS.

Even if do go for savage or ex, even if I do fail, I will have done so on my own, on my own ability, if I lose so be it. Doesnt worry me. Why? Because in the end, it is down to me..unaided aside from the ingame tools already provided.

IF I was ever asked to get these addons, Id refuse and probably get kicked. Again, Id rather try and fail than win by cheating.

Make of that whatever you will. i dont know and cant say if you personally use them or not..thats up to you to decide. Your call either way.

This thread for example

https://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/...ds-to-increase.

So: riddle me this:

Which one is "holier than thou" Stormpeaks..the person who earns what they have honestly..or the so called "raider" and better player" calling for others to "git gud" whilst at the same time using banned third party addons, callouts, zoom hacks, DPS meters, waypoint makers and other crutches to play the game for them????

Im still waiting to hear why it is that this "much harder content" cant be cleared without all these mods and plugins

If raiders are as good as they say they are, if they are more skilled than other players as they keep claiming they are....then they should be able to clear this harder content WITHOUT addons.

Done here.

[Bobby66]

Im still waiting to hear why it is that this "much harder content" cant be cleared without all these mods and plugins

If raiders are as good as they say they are, if they are more skilled than other players as they keep claiming they are....then they should be able to clear this harder content WITHOUT addons.

Done here.

It is pretty simple, both sides are petty. If people want to use their plugins go for it, it is not for me I will kindly just pass on said groups. I am also not going to go around and police the action of others I do not have the head space for that. Let people do as they please, even if someone says my clear is moot because we later found out someone was using plugins or w/e I would simply shrug it off and call it a day. In my eyes my run was legit even if SE took my reward away, I cleared it once I can do it again, even still even if people say I did not do it, or SE took my rewards away they can never take away the fact I did indeed clear the fight.

People harp too much on cheating and all this stuff in my opinion. This legit reminds me of what drew me out competitive pokemon, a handful of people going after those that gen mons and it just got salty and not a fun environment to be around. I did not even gen mon's, I just wanted to compete and do my very best. I do not care what my opponent does or what they did leading up to the match. I just worried about myself and my play.

That being said if someone does willfully break the ToS do not be epehands: when action gets taken against your account, or people do not align with what your doing. Same case for the OP do not be shocked your group was not to keen on losing out on how many hours of prog because of your own personal beliefs.

[Pixieh]

Thank god some people like you are hollier than thou and never do anything wrong be it in game or in life. They also follow every single rule, in both situations and never fail, never will.

"IT'S THE LAW !!" "ITS THE TOS !!!" "I shall not do anything else but follow the law and the TOS and I will abide by them with my life, and I will be rewarded by a little pat on the head by Yoshi P as a thank you for following the rules"

Hope it's worth it buddy, and hope you'll get that little pat on the head, that way you can feel validated and you'll feel your crusade isnt absolutely worthless. (newsflash : it is worthless)

You're honestly trying to shame me for playing according to the rules I agreed to upon signing up? What the hell is wrong with you?

Just wish more looked at it that way.

So you wish more people would turn a blind eye on blatant TOS breakers. Nice.

In my eyes my run was legit

You're clearly not knowing what legit means.


adjective: legit

1.
conforming to the rules; legal.

If you cheat your way to a clear than that's literally the opposite of legit.

[Bobby66]

You're honestly trying to shame me for playing according to the rules I agreed to upon signing up? What the hell is wrong with you?




So you wish more people would turn a blind eye on blatant TOS breakers. Nice.





You're clearly not knowing what legit means.


adjective: legit

1.
conforming to the rules; legal.

If you cheat your way to a clear than that's literally the opposite of legit.

Here is the funny thing about things like this, normally to a cheater all that matters is their own personal truth. Also per my example I never stated I was the one that cheated. Also another factor is normally a cheater does not think what they are doing is cheating so they have a self justification that they use to validate their actions. You are trying to enforce a something they do not care about.

I said if I was part of a group and later found out someone cheated, and SE choose to take my clears away I would not be upset I would just shrug it off because I did clear the run and to me personally it was a legit cause I did not take part in the cheats myself. The OP could have easily just told the person to stop using cheats, and left it at that. The progress they made with them using the cheats would not be invalid or anything. Even if say they found out later the person cheated, and their run was now being questioned, if they had not know or the person lied and said they did stop but did not stop. I would personally just take the rewards away from the one that cheated. I do not think you should just blindly go and punish a group for the actions of one.

I do not get this stance you are imposing a standard they do not align with or follow, if they did they would not be cheating. Do you really think they care what the rules state? That is my point to them nothing anyone says or does will detract from what they have done in their own head most of the time. They will blame someone else, come up with a different story. People are having a debate over a topic that the party that has done the action does not care about in any shape or form. If you do not find it legit cool, if they find their run legit also cool. Why do people care so much if others cheat or not not like their was a massive prize pool and stake we are legit just talking about bragging rights and some minor 15 min of fame.

Overall I do wish people would take care of their own life and house before they start to question the actions of others. Overall that has always been my issue with this cheating topic, if someone does not agree with the rules and breaks them do you think telling them no you did not earn it would detract from what they did to themselves? Normally it does not, I have friends that brag about getting high ranks in FPS games but I am like bruh you use aimbot, they do not care. To them it still requires effort and still feels good. Banning them, shunning them does not take away the feeling they had in that moment. Same thing with my college mates that cheated on exams in school. They are happy as could be right now, they have good paying jobs and the past is the past. People will cheat and often a cheater will be okay with it no matter what one says or does to them.