Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[Saraide]

If they were streaming and using mods at the same time they are just asking to get banned. We and SE don't want to have to create content with the mindset that players will need to use mods in order to complete the content. Normalizing the use of mods is bad. Cosmetic mods are widely accepted because they have no bearing on the design team at SE and how they create content. If the goal of the SE team is to make difficult content but the content they create is too easy because of mods then it becomes a problem. Forcing players to use mods is a way of gatekeeping new players. It creates a barrier of entry in the learning process that is not good. Creating fights around mods is a terrible design decision. Mods are in the hands of creators outside of SE so you have no control over what they can or cannot do. Fights in the future may become impossible if the mod loses support. It also becomes really hard to argue what is acceptable to not acceptable, eventually leading to mods that actually do play the game for you. This all is the reason for the no tolerance policy on mods. They can't really stop you unless you publicize your use of it but to keep the game in a desirable state they have to try.

If your friends don't understand this and think it's harmless then that is on them. I would just point out that if they want to keep pushing the issue you could report his/her stream. It also sounds like more happened than OP let on. To ban/block without any kind of request doesn't sound like something someone does to a friend they have been playing with for awhile.

Wait wait wait why dont cosmetic mods have no bearing on what SE designs? They literally sell outfits and mounts.

[Nobuyuki_Sanada]

Wait wait wait why dont cosmetic mods have no bearing on what SE designs? They literally sell outfits and mounts.

They don't create outfits and mounts with your mods in mind at all. They are making those regardless.

[Saraide]

They don't create outfits and mounts with your mods in mind at all. They are making those regardless.

The exact same logic applies to raids.

[Nobuyuki_Sanada]

The exact same logic applies to raids.

No that is incorrect, SE has even said so. Players are circumventing difficulty by using mods, meaning if the design teams wants to make truly difficult content they would need to account for players having mods making the game easier. They obviously dont want to do this as it would force players who dont use mods to get them to complete content. This is why WoW is the way it is. They allowed mods, people got used to playing with them, and now to make challenging content they have to consider them or the content they create will be too easy.

[Saraide]

No that is incorrect, SE has even said so. Players are circumventing difficulty by using mods, meaning if the design teams wants to make truly difficult content they would need to account for players having mods making the game easier. They obviously dont want to do this as it would force players who dont use mods to get them to complete content. This is why WoW is the way it is. They allowed mods, people got used to playing with them, and now to make challenging content they have to consider them or the content they create will be too easy.

It is correct, people modding in completely new outfits is making the creation of outfits on behalf of SE just as pointless as third party tools do for raids. You cant have it both ways or you just sound like someone trying to mental gymnastics their use of cosmetic mods being okay.

[Ath192]

It is correct, people modding in completely new outfits is making the creation of outfits on behalf of SE just as pointless as third party tools do for raids. You cant have it both ways or you just sound like someone trying to mental gymnastics their use of cosmetic mods being okay.

I have to say that third party tools are an all or nothing too. Because if SE takes action or something it's going to look for everything. So people can't separate any of them. However, being that XIV isn't really a competitive game I don't think this sort of stuff is the game killer people are making it out to be.

Even ults are not competitive, they are for personal enjoyment, whether people make a race out of it or parse the fight that isn't official SE stuff, so competition just isn't in the intended design of the game.

[Nobuyuki_Sanada]

It is correct, people modding in completely new outfits is making the creation of outfits on behalf of SE just as pointless as third party tools do for raids. You cant have it both ways or you just sound like someone trying to mental gymnastics their use of cosmetic mods being okay.

The mods you use to make yourself look different don't affect what other people see. If it made the outfits your wearing visible to others they would absolutely have issue with it. You sound like someone who just doesn't want to accept the fact mods are cheating.

[Azuri]

The mods you use to make yourself look different don't affect what other people see. If it made the outfits your wearing visible to others they would absolutely have issue with it. You sound like someone who just doesn't want to accept the fact mods are cheating.

Funny you should say that...

[Saraide]

The mods you use to make yourself look different don't affect what other people see. If it made the outfits your wearing visible to others they would absolutely have issue with it. You sound like someone who just doesn't want to accept the fact mods are cheating.

Yea and people having mare lamentorum in their adventure plate just really like the area lol.

[LianaThorne]

It is correct, people modding in completely new outfits is making the creation of outfits on behalf of SE just as pointless as third party tools do for raids. You cant have it both ways or you just sound like someone trying to mental gymnastics their use of cosmetic mods being okay.

In the grand scheme of things, if someone wants to put a hat on their Viera...who really cares? If that genuinely bothers anyone that much then priorities need to be re-evaluated. Also, modded outfits don't make SE-created ones pointless or do you think people just stand around in Limsa to enjoy the sea breeze?

Plugins also aren't all just cheating in raids, there are several that provide accessibility options that the vanilla game does not, allowing more people to play the game without difficulties. All plugins shouldn't just be treated as bad because some actually should be in the game by default.

If someone wants to cheat during world first, that's a problem. If people want to make the game a bit easier for them to play or enjoy different character customization, cool. Doesn't ruffle my feathers.

Unless Square actually changes their mind and puts in some form of cheat detection, the ToS isn't able to be enforced properly. It relies on community intervention.