Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[kaynide]

I lead a raiding static, we are doing TOP and got to phase 3. Alt character for anonymity purposes

Recently a member streamed and showed himself using a zoomhack, so I swiftly and immediately kicked him from the static, reported him and blocked him.

Yet now after 3 days trying to find a replacement, some members of the static started arguing with me and 2 of them left.

They say that it was petty of me to eff over the progress of 6 other people just to get rid of a cheater.

They say that it's okay that he cheats because he kept to himself and never talked about it.

My other raiding friends also told me what I did was a really bad idea.

So now the group that was going so well is breaking apart and it's my fault, however I don't think I did anything wrong, cheating is forbidden by the ToS.

He wasn’t keeping it to himself if he was streaming, and it is entirely possible SE could hear about it and ultimately ban your entire team…

Could/should you have talked it over first? Sure maybe. But should you be uncomfortable/have ignored it and possibly put your account at risk for a stranger? Heck no.

[kaynide]

People cheat in pve games all the time. What does it matter to me if someone else one shot elden beast with a hacked weapon? What does it matter to anyone else that I unlocked all the squads in Into the breach by just editing the savefile? The important part is having fun which means that it varies extremely from person to person.

Not when someone else’s fun could potentially cause your account/time/effort to be wiped out entirely. You fail to understand the devs are quite serious about this, and that this particular apple is nothing like the orange in your example.

SE’s house, SE’s rules.

[Stormpeaks]

He wasn’t keeping it to himself if he was streaming, and it is entirely possible SE could hear about it and ultimately ban your entire team…

Could/should you have talked it over first? Sure maybe. But should you be uncomfortable/have ignored it and possibly put your account at risk for a stranger? Heck no.

They literally dont ban the entire team, they didnt do it for the world first team, they wont do it for some rando team with one member streaming with probably 5 viewers

stop dramatizing. your account is not a risk because someone in your static or even in your random PF is using third party tools.

[Alice9]

People cheat in pve games all the time. What does it matter to me

I honestly agree with what you've said overall. However I find the deeper issue to be when cheating in PVE affects other, non-willing players. No one would care if you one shot elden beast with a hacked weapon on your own- but if you suddenly start playing co-op with a friend and they can't wait to fight that really tough boss up ahead and you just one-shot it and they weren't aware you were gonna cheat in the first place, well, they might feel disappointed, and in my mind, understandably so.

While the above example is very exaggerated my point is this: a lot of posters here are defending using cheats because its a personal decision that they say doesn't affect others- but I think it can. Just because you don't feel your personal accomplishment is reduced by someone else cheating does not mean other people feel the same way. OP obviously was upset by having a cheater. I would be upset if I learned someone in my group was cheating as well- as I wouldn't want to possibly be carried by someone who simply has an advantage over me.

As you've said, "This thread specifically is far more about group communication than accepting someone cheating." Agreed. But I think there's accountability to be taken on both sides. OP should've been more clear from the get-go about the rules of the static. But players using cheats should not automatically assume it doesn't affect anyone else but themselves. Its a group effort, and I agree that everyone should be on the same page from start to finish.

[Mimilu]

Do I really need to write it into rules "don't cheat"? Do I also have to have a rule saying "don't be racist" or "don't try to hit on the women in the static"?

You just said you didn't have faith in the community because you think it's full of cheaters. (*´﹃｀*)
It's a leader's duty, whether it's for a static group, an FC, etc. , to set up the rules and expectations of the group, otherwise people are just going to assume they can do what they want or that you don't care about those things.
For example: Parsing. Is parsing fine in your group or is it cheating? Even though it's against ToS, it's a gray area in XIV community at large, with most raiders opting to use them.

[Missus]

You did the right thing for you and there were consequences for that. Don’t beat yourself up too much. People play differently and it’s perfectly okay to not want to associate with cheaters.

The situation sucks for everyone involved, but chalk it up to a lesson learned. You can find another static with players who share your values. You have to be vocal and specific about these things if they matter to you, because a large part of the community uses third party tools.

[Pixieh]

Reading all these comments supporting cheaters and demonizing the OP for doing what they think is best made me lose a lot of faith in the community just now. I guess cheating is fine if it nets you that clear huh?

@OP: You did the right thing.

[LianaThorne]

This attitude is the reason you're definitely not fit to be a static leader.
You don't just assume the worst of everyone, you're also blaming the world around for it and scrape together excuses that are solely based on assumptions and suspicions when you don't get the pat on the back for a good job.

You should've set rules before and make sure you're perfectly transparent on them. Especially if you intend to enforce zero-tolerance policies without communicating them. You should've communicated with everyone even if your decision was already final. You should've made sure to minimize the negative impact it has on others by finding replacements in time.
And lastly, a good static leader doesn't put their own opinion above everyone else's.
You handed it terribly on several levels and the consequences are well-deserved.

This is all that needs to be said, in my opinion.

[VelKallor]

. ToS or not (which is basically loose guidelines at this point

This is blatantly FALSE, we have a VERY recent Lodestone update by Yoshi himself who was CRYSTAL CLEAR on the matter.

They are not allowed. PERIOD.

As I have mentioned previously, the terms of service for FINAL FANTASY XIV state that the use of third-party tools is strictly prohibited. This has always been the case and will continue to be so, and unless announced otherwise, there are no plans to enact any changes.

I have come across posts from individuals that say things along the lines of, “Yoshida allows the use of third-party tools, so it’s fine to use them.” However, let me make it clear that I have never permitted the use of these tools

That isnt a "guideline".

[LianaThorne]

This is blatantly FALSE, we have a VERY recent Lodestone update by Yoshi himself who was CRYSTAL CLEAR on the matter.

They are not allowed. PERIOD.





That isnt a "guideline".

It is as long as there aren't actual methods of detection outside of people reporting or people exposing themselves. How does one enforce that bit of the ToS if there isn't a way to actually know that people are using them without community intervention? If people can work around a system, they will. Doesn't matter if it's against it or not.