Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[Saraide]

A lot of people seem to try to make this seem like a norm or something more acceptable, but the dev stance is pretty obvious:

"If the presumption is that this content will be tackled and cleared with the use of third-party tools, then any reason to develop high-difficulty battle content seems to be lost."

The issue overall is very obviously more in-depth than just "tools bad". However, I think most people can also agree that there's a pretty big difference between tools people use for accessibility, such as for disabilities or colorblindness- versus tools used for cheating- providing real-time advantages over others in gameplay instances.

Like I've said, I don't understand opting to do the hardest content this game has to offer and then go far out of your way to make it easier for yourself. It diminishes the accomplishment. At that point it seems like said people do it solely for the bragging rights, and for none of the challenge. In which case I feel that cycle becoming relatively ironic because as this sort of cheating behavior becomes more common-knowledge to outsiders, people won't look at look at those who've cleared ultimates with the 'acclaim' people who use cheats to clear probably want from others. Instead, outsiders will simply begin to think "that person probably cheated."

People cheat in pve games all the time. What does it matter to me if someone else one shot elden beast with a hacked weapon? What does it matter to anyone else that I unlocked all the squads in Into the breach by just editing the savefile? The important part is having fun which means that it varies extremely from person to person. Too much in this discussion is spent on extremes like "well if you cheat on ultimates, island sanctuary is the content for you". That's way too reductive and shows just a complete lack of understanding. Some mechanics are considered by some people as just not fun and getting a tool to solve it for them increases their fun massively. That doesnt mean they would rather "play" island sanctuary, that doesnt mean that they dont enjoy the challenge of other mechanics. I found that yoship quote you posted to be extremely fatalistic and childish. To me someone else cheating does not in anyway reduce my personal accomplishment of doing the same thing without cheats. Doing content to just be able to show off with something just seems arrogant to me.

This thread specifically is far more about group communication than accepting someone cheating. A static can choose any ruleset they want but it has to be communicated first or there will be issues (like the ones OP is facing right now).

[Rilifane]

“Why did you remove the cheater?” - Disturbing amount of posters in this thread.

Quote for the win.

This thread specifically is far more about group communication than accepting someone cheating. A static can choose any ruleset they want but it has to be communicated first or there will be issues (like the ones OP is facing right now).

[kaynide]

People cheat in pve games all the time. What does it matter to me if someone else one shot elden beast with a hacked weapon? What does it matter to anyone else that I unlocked all the squads in Into the breach by just editing the savefile? The important part is having fun which means that it varies extremely from person to person.

Not when someone else’s fun could potentially cause your account/time/effort to be wiped out entirely. You fail to understand the devs are quite serious about this, and that this particular apple is nothing like the orange in your example.

SE’s house, SE’s rules.

[Alice9]

People cheat in pve games all the time. What does it matter to me

I honestly agree with what you've said overall. However I find the deeper issue to be when cheating in PVE affects other, non-willing players. No one would care if you one shot elden beast with a hacked weapon on your own- but if you suddenly start playing co-op with a friend and they can't wait to fight that really tough boss up ahead and you just one-shot it and they weren't aware you were gonna cheat in the first place, well, they might feel disappointed, and in my mind, understandably so.

While the above example is very exaggerated my point is this: a lot of posters here are defending using cheats because its a personal decision that they say doesn't affect others- but I think it can. Just because you don't feel your personal accomplishment is reduced by someone else cheating does not mean other people feel the same way. OP obviously was upset by having a cheater. I would be upset if I learned someone in my group was cheating as well- as I wouldn't want to possibly be carried by someone who simply has an advantage over me.

As you've said, "This thread specifically is far more about group communication than accepting someone cheating." Agreed. But I think there's accountability to be taken on both sides. OP should've been more clear from the get-go about the rules of the static. But players using cheats should not automatically assume it doesn't affect anyone else but themselves. Its a group effort, and I agree that everyone should be on the same page from start to finish.

[Zebraoracle]

I honestly agree with what you've said overall. However I find the deeper issue to be when cheating in PVE affects other, non-willing players. No one would care if you one shot elden beast with a hacked weapon on your own- but if you suddenly start playing co-op with a friend and they can't wait to fight that really tough boss up ahead and you just one-shot it and they weren't aware you were gonna cheat in the first place, well, they might feel disappointed, and in my mind, understandably so.

While the above example is very exaggerated my point is this: a lot of posters here are defending using cheats because its a personal decision that they say doesn't affect others- but I think it can. Just because you don't feel your personal accomplishment is reduced by someone else cheating does not mean other people feel the same way. OP obviously was upset by having a cheater. I would be upset if I learned someone in my group was cheating as well- as I wouldn't want to possibly be carried by someone who simply has an advantage over me.

As you've said, "This thread specifically is far more about group communication than accepting someone cheating." Agreed. But I think there's accountability to be taken on both sides. OP should've been more clear from the get-go about the rules of the static. But players using cheats should not automatically assume it doesn't affect anyone else but themselves. Its a group effort, and I agree that everyone should be on the same page from start to finish.

Nah, this thread is to bait people into arguing about mods again, plain and simple.

[Alice9]

Nah, this thread is to bait people into arguing about mods again, plain and simple.

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