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    Player Kolaina's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Cool to know you are against accessibility.
    Accessibility would be colourblind options. South paw. Key remapping. Not parsers, shaders and mare. Try and manipulate all you want
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    Accessibility would be colourblind options. South paw. Key remapping. Not parsers, shaders and mare. Try and manipulate all you want
    I mean... ACT literally makes what's already there more accessible... just like a colorblind accessibility reshader. :/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    Accessibility would be colourblind options. South paw. Key remapping. Not parsers, shaders and mare. Try and manipulate all you want
    Good thing the devs are actually looking to improve accessibility and QOL instead of listening to people forever stuck in the past. The game didnt survive by moral grandstanding, it survived by improving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebraoracle View Post
    I mean... ACT literally makes what's already there more accessible... just like a colorblind accessibility reshader. :/
    There's a difference between accessibility and convenience.

    The accessibility options are already in-game. (For colourblind and hearing-impaired. As well as being able to remap your buttons). What ACT would do is not accessibility, but rather convenience, as the game already does it. ACT just wraps it all up with a bow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebraoracle View Post
    I mean... ACT literally makes what's already there more accessible... just like a colorblind accessibility reshader. :/

    Numbers bad . . .

    Quote Originally Posted by MaxCarnage View Post
    There's a difference between accessibility and convenience.

    The accessibility options are already in-game. (For colourblind and hearing-impaired. As well as being able to remap your buttons). What ACT would do is not accessibility, but rather convenience, as the game already does it. ACT just wraps it all up with a bow.
    Isn't the issue with ACT at least based around all the parsing threads that ACT would make it more accessible to a greater number of people which would lead to more problems?
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    Last edited by Bobby66; 02-19-2023 at 03:10 AM.

  6. #406
    Player Kolaina's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    Good thing the devs are actually looking to improve accessibility and QOL instead of listening to people forever stuck in the past. The game didnt survive by moral grandstanding, it survived by improving.
    Then push for what you want. Ask for change. But as of now, like it or not and we know you don’t, there’s rules. The reason these rules exist is equality. Keeping everyone on the same playing field outside of personal skills and interests.

    Doesn’t matter how much you think you’re right. How much you want something. What you think is justified or unjustified. Rules exist for a reason.

    While I personally don’t have an issue with some add-ons, including act, it creates an unfair advantage. One I’d rather see the devs address and not Saraide of the forums
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  7. #407
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxCarnage View Post
    There's a difference between accessibility and convenience.

    The accessibility options are already in-game. (For colourblind and hearing-impaired. As well as being able to remap your buttons). What ACT would do is not accessibility, but rather convenience, as the game already does it. ACT just wraps it all up with a bow.
    Ah yes, the colorblind options that are very poorly designed and people seek other options because the ones in game just don't cut it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MaxCarnage View Post
    There's a difference between accessibility and convenience.

    The accessibility options are already in-game. (For colourblind and hearing-impaired. As well as being able to remap your buttons). What ACT would do is not accessibility, but rather convenience, as the game already does it. ACT just wraps it all up with a bow.
    That's the thing, a lot of people involved in raiding don't think convenience tools such as ACT or minor UI enhancements are cheating. It doesn't give you any information you're not supposed to have, it just presents them nicely.
    Could you reach high level of play without ACT? Personally I believe so, as long as you still make the efforts to improve and seek feedback. I even think ACT isn't really needed as much if you already know your stuff.
    Is it easier with ACT? Definitely.
    Is it cheating to use ACT? My opinion is still no, because I don't think learning to play your job by looking through the chat log or using jank systems such as Stone Sky Sea is part of the intented challenge of the game. Intended difficulty is the key word, and this is why some add-ons see more tolerance than others, especially mods which remove some unintended inconvenience.
    Yes, the devs intended the fights to be clearable without third party tools. But did they want us to never look at job guides and try to ignore the existence of fflogs despite it being a huge part of the raiding community since Heavensward, being an influence in every single job guide, rotation and even their own balancing? Did they intend every fight to be cleared with high ping, disabilities and without voice chat?
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    Last edited by Kazhar; 02-19-2023 at 03:37 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    Then push for what you want. Ask for change. But as of now, like it or not and we know you don’t, there’s rules. The reason these rules exist is equality. Keeping everyone on the same playing field outside of personal skills and interests.

    Doesn’t matter how much you think you’re right. How much you want something. What you think is justified or unjustified. Rules exist for a reason.

    While I personally don’t have an issue with some add-ons, including act, it creates an unfair advantage. One I’d rather see the devs address and not Saraide of the forums
    Rules do exist for a reason. That reason is not ACT and fflogs, otherwise the dev's enforcement would be different. Thanks to community job guides, xivanalysis and crossplay there is no unfair advantage here either.

    Saraide of the forums
    Why is that so funny to me, my god
    That really put a smile on my face, thank you.
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  10. #410
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zebraoracle View Post
    Ah yes, the colorblind options that are very poorly designed and people seek other options because the ones in game just don't cut it.
    I'm not saying there aren't QoL mods. I'm saying ACT is not accessibility. There are a lot of mods that aren't about accessibility. A lot of them are for convenience. But I know you like to spin stuff from seeing how you speak with others. You don't look for discussion. You look to "win".

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazhar View Post
    That's the thing, a lot of people involved in raiding don't think convenience tools such as ACT or minor UI enhancements are cheating. It doesn't give you any information you're not supposed to have, it just presents them nicely.
    Could you reach high level of play without ACT? Personally I believe so, as long as you still make the efforts to improve and seek feedback. I even think ACT isn't really needed as much if you already know your stuff.
    Is it easier with ACT? Definitely.
    Is it cheating to use ACT? My opinion is still no, because I don't think learning to play your job by looking through the chat log or using jank systems such as Stone Sky Sea is part of the intented challenge of the game. Intended difficulty is the key word, and this is why some add-ons see more tolerance than others, especially mods which remove some unintended inconvenience.
    Yes, the devs intended the fights to be clearable without third party tools. But did they want us to never look at job guides and try to ignore the existence of fflogs despite it being a huge part of the raiding community since Heavensward, being an influence in every single job guide, rotation and even their own balancing? Did they intend every fight to be cleared with high ping, disabilities and without voice chat?
    I get where you're coming from, but I have to reiterate that I have never said ACT was or wasn't cheating. I was simply addressing previously that there are in game features that do the same thing so ACT is not required to be a better player, and that ACT is about convenience rather than accessibility as all it does is take information from the game. Take with that what you will. I'm not here to discuss whether ACT is cheating or not. So while I appreciate you sharing your opinion, don't get me wrong, I just feel like it's being directed at the wrong person.
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    Last edited by MaxCarnage; 02-19-2023 at 03:41 AM.

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