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  1. #481
    Player SeiyaSoiya's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    and you should also accept that people left your static, you fucked around and found out
    no I didn't, I did exactly what was expected of me to do according to the procedure that was applied to UNNAMED_
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  2. #482
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    no I didn't, I did exactly what was expected of me to do according to the procedure that was applied to UNNAMED_
    yeah yeah muh TOS I know I know dont worry, well as I said you fucked around and found out, you thought you were the only one that mattered in the static, and people showed you otherwise.

    Seems like things worked out
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  3. #483
    Player SeiyaSoiya's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stormpeaks View Post
    yeah yeah muh TOS I know I know dont worry, well as I said you fucked around and found out, you thought you were the only one that mattered in the static, and people showed you otherwise.

    Seems like things worked out
    oh okay so if the rest of the team says it's ok to cheat then it's okay to cheat?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    oh okay so if the rest of the team says it's ok to cheat then it's okay to cheat?
    I love the implication that the whole world cares about some no name team that's nowhere near anything world first related as much as about the world 0th clear. Literally no one would care if your entire team played from the ISS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    oh okay so if the rest of the team says it's ok to cheat then it's okay to cheat?
    I mean if you think its cheating, you are free to make a different static and to put the rules down that you are not allowing any type of third party, and even then people might use them without you knowing
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  6. #486
    Player SeiyaSoiya's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saraide View Post
    I love the implication that the whole world cares about some no name team that's nowhere near anything world first related as much as about the world 0th clear. Literally no one would care if your entire team played from the ISS.
    ohh ok so it's ok to cheat if you're a nobody team?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    oh okay so if the rest of the team says it's ok to cheat then it's okay to cheat?
    Looking at the big picture:
    - From what I'm gathering, you didn't state from the beginning that using plugins that are raid related were disallowed when forming your static.
    - Someone joined your static and used them quietly until streaming one day (for idk how many people or the context behind that)
    - You created a rule then based on that and removed them without giving them a chance to respect that rule.
    - Your teammates got upset as a result of that, on top of the decision being made so quickly that a replacement wasn't even ready to go and you're now impeding on the progress of 6 other people.

    This ultimately all comes down to a massive lack of communication for what you wanted out of the static, a knee jerk reaction made out of anger or fear of consequences and screwing over the six other people there because they couldn't keep progressing. Do you get where you went wrong now?

    If you had a replacement ready it might have ended differently but you completely thought of yourself in that moment, not the entire team. Which, you know, isn't what a leader is supposed to do. Even if you were dead set on removing this person, it should have been done once the rest of your team was taken care of with a replacement.
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    Last edited by LianaThorne; 02-19-2023 at 10:25 PM.

  8. #488
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    ohh ok so it's ok to cheat if you're a nobody team?
    Who would stop you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    ohh ok so it's ok to cheat if you're a nobody team?
    People aren't criticising you over the zoom hacker, people are criticising over your handling of the situation. please get that through your thick skull.
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  10. #490
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    ohh ok so it's ok to cheat if you're a nobody team?
    It's okay to do whatever you consider necessary for you to have fun, yes.

    Put something in your head, cheating in this game is ultimately harmless, it will not impact anyone outside the group you cleared with, and it can even be imperceptible if they don't out themselves, so people don't consider it a big deal to do it, it is just going to enhance their experience, and perhaps other people's experience by having a teammate that is completely on top of their game, so you need to be upfront about no third-party tools, it doesn't matter if it is ToS, it is just how things shake, and taking a decision based on something that wasn't a properly established rule that affected 7 other people(yes, I am including the cheater here, they are also a living human being) on a whim because you didn't like that isn't okay, do keep in mind there is a chance your static would've agreed with you, but you still made a call that you shouldn't have and that's upsetting.

    The right thing to do in that situation was, which I am sure has been repeated a lot in this thread: Bring it up with the static, get their opinion, take action based on that, and if you were uncomfortable with the outcome still, leave the static yourself, anything else would've led to this situation
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