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    Player Sesera's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    Okay so they have higher clears, what is your point? What does this prove regarding addons?
    JP really dislike that kind of stuff while people in EU/NA memed with UAVOnline it was something else for the JP community.
    So them having high clear and their take toward third party we can assume third party are indeed not requiered at all.
    But that also doesn't account for people playing in JP servers but not being from JP who won't be as reticent to use third party.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesera View Post
    JP really dislike that kind of stuff while people in EU/NA memed with UAVOnline it was something else for the JP community.
    So them having high clear and their take toward third party we can assume third party are indeed not requiered at all.
    But that also doesn't account for people playing in JP servers but not being from JP who won't be as reticent to use third party.
    I played on JP servers in the past, and the use of ACT is pretty common, so I fail to see the point. Is the point that addons are not required to clear content? I do not think anyone is arguing against that point. Of course you can clear content without addons.

    I might just be dumb, but I fail to see what exactly is this slam dunk point they were trying to make. Cause yeah JP servers do still log runs, which requires ACT which is an addon.

    Some would even argue that JP servers are far more toxic with blacklists and stuff.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bellsong View Post
    Okay boomer.

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    Player Sesera's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobby66 View Post
    I played on JP servers in the past, and the use of ACT is pretty common, so I fail to see the point. Is the point that addons are not required to clear content? I do not think anyone is arguing against that point. Of course you can clear content without addons.

    I might just be dumb, but I fail to see what exactly is this slam dunk point they were trying to make. Cause yeah JP servers do still log runs, which requires ACT which is an addon.

    Some would even argue that JP servers are far more toxic with blacklists and stuff.
    Only "cheating" third party like splatoon is a big no no like nobody is going to freak out because someone used reshade or ACT. Especially when ACT is pretty much mandatory to have if you do high end content.
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    I really don't understand why people have this image that the JP playerbase is this hivemind that all despise and would never use addons. They're people just like everyone else. They often do log runs and speedruns too, those require ACT, which is an addon.
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    Player Sesera's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aravell View Post
    I really don't understand why people have this image that the JP playerbase is this hivemind that all despise and would never use addons. They're people just like everyone else. They often do log runs and speedruns too, those require ACT, which is an addon.
    Nobody got doxxed for it in JP. Haruglory didn't lose a member from their TOP party because one of them played with unnamed back Pandemonium Savage and was pressured to delete his character. Arthars lied when he said he had a meeting with his JP static to make sure nobody is using bad third party program.

    When we are talking about JP disliking third party program we're talking about stuff like Splatoon/callout/cactbot not "I live in tawain I need to use a vpn to have good ping" or ACT to know where the dps is lacking in a fight with dps check.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sesera View Post
    Nobody got doxxed for it in JP. Haruglory didn't lose a member from their TOP party because one of them played with unnamed back Pandemonium Savage and was pressured to delete his character. Arthars lied when he said he had a meeting with his JP static to make sure nobody is using bad third party program.

    When we are talking about JP disliking third party program we're talking about stuff like Splatoon/callout/cactbot not "I live in tawain I need to use a vpn to have good ping" or ACT to know where the dps is lacking in a fight with dps check.
    I would bet stuff like splatoon/cactbot are as widespread there as they are here, most people keep it to themselves/ don't care. It only becomes an issue when used in a world-first race then the weird witch hunty types get mad and harass people and bitch about it on the forums for months.
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    They do, if anything korea/jpn players do it more than the rest of us. Lived there for many years, their culture on how they handel groups is different. I would assume thats why they have more clears, they don't burn each other and are more often than not, overly polite.

    People who think they don't use add one are lieing to themselves.

    Its very very toxic in the high end raiding in this game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    did UNNAMED_'s DRG get kicked, reported, harassed, doxxed, forced to delete his weapon, forced to delete his character because it was all stipulated in the rules of their static?
    Thats a silly set of rules for a static and nobody would want to join such a static. The strict statics are usually the ones that stream their progress so its understandable they are rather strict on 3rd party tools than risking a ban. Not everyone is a crazy doxxer.

    By stating you dont want 3rd party tools from the start, other members are less likely to blame you if it does happen that someone is getting kicked. If you didnt tell from the start, then of course some people might get annoyed especially when the progress are going well.
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    Last edited by Lieri; 02-19-2023 at 08:44 PM.

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    Player SeiyaSoiya's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lieri View Post
    Thats a silly set of rules for a static and nobody would want to join such a static. The strict statics are usually the ones that stream their progress so its understandable they are rather strict on 3rd party tools than risking a ban. Not everyone is a crazy doxxer.

    By stating you dont want 3rd party tools from the start, other members are less likely to blame you if it does happen that someone is getting kicked. If you didnt tell from the start, then of course some people might get annoyed especially when the progress are going well.
    ok so it didn't need to be written into the rules for it to happen

    sounds like I don't have to write anything in the rules either

    if UNNAMED_'s dragoon is expected to accept all that happened to him as part of "fuck around and find out" then the cheater in my static should also accept the kick as fuck around and find out
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    Quote Originally Posted by SeiyaSoiya View Post
    ok so it didn't need to be written into the rules for it to happen

    sounds like I don't have to write anything in the rules either

    if UNNAMED_'s dragoon is expected to accept all that happened to him as part of "fuck around and find out" then the cheater in my static should also accept the kick as fuck around and find out
    and you should also accept that people left your static, you fucked around and found out
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