Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[Stormpeaks]

You mean like the guy he kicked who didn't communicate he was using tools that had the non-zero chance to risk the accounts, reputation and credibility of 7 other people for no reason other than his own selfish interests?

You mean like that?

bruh they are a team of nobodies, they dont risk their accounts, even those who got world first didnt get anything done to them except to have to delete the weapons and the titles, as for reputation once again, they are nobodies, same for credibility.

Stop trying to make it sound like the person should be on death row for risking the "account's life" of a few other people.

A lot of people are using third party tools that you dont know of, and I can safely say that they are probably in your static or in your PF's, or even in roulettes if you do them, because people say they dont use them with source "trust me bro", doesnt mean they dont use them, unless they stream it to you on every log in to show you they arent using any, they could very well be using third party tools. And guess what ? It has no impact on you, absolutely none.

[Absimiliard]

I see we're still pretending third-party tools are somehow capable of damaging the play experience of uninvolved parties. Interesting.

[VelKallor]

Let me not improve and be happy with what I am doing ! If you want me to improve it's because you're bad !

Then explain this to me.

The JP datacentres clear rate on savage and ex alone makes that statement a laughingstock, as the vast majority play on console.

By all means, go ahead and check. The results speak for themselves. They dont use ANY addons of any kind, yet the JP datacentres have improved and beaten harder content without the addons you say you cant play without.

They dont use third party tools at all..and yet they have a higher clear rate on harder content than NA by a huge margin.

If what you say is true..then explain how this can be? Ill go out on a limb and say they are better players, their success rate CERTAINLY says so.

In my opinion, you ( and perhaps others ) have played shall we say..other games...that foster a dependence...or an addiction to those third party addons , so are habitually dependent on them because you cant play any other way.

Look at the clear rates, Stormpeaks, no third party, no callouts, no marker assists..yet they have consistently and REPEATEDLY proven your statement to be utterly without merit.

About a year and a half ago, I was approached by a player on Tonberry, who was at that time running an ad hoc static for savage, she had seen my gameplay in a past dungeon and had been..well..pleased..with my playstyle. I mentioned that I wasnt the best by a huge margin ( well its true, always room to improve ) but declined as I had said, I dont do schedules anymore, so couldnt gaurantee to be there.

She was disappointed, but appreciated my honesty. Ive been invited I think..twice.....since I started in 2019. Believe me or not, up to you, I really dont care.

I was also offered a spot back on Zalera. I said no thanks, the ping was a killer.

Im sorry Stormpeaks, but the data on clear rates, the fact that a LARGE number of players on console have done all up to and including ultimate proves your statement on not being able to improve without reliance on third party tools invalid.

Your "you are bad" sneer does you, and DEFINITELY your argument, no credit whatsoever.

I dont use third party of any kind, what I have in terms of skill I can bring to the table unaided by crutches or addons. Maybe, and this is a suggestion, nothing more, you should try and play without them, like so many others do.

Theres the JP datacentres with no addons...and theres you who says they cant do what they have been doing for YEARS without them.

Something to think about, wouldnt you say?

[Aravell]

Theres the JP datacentres with no addons...

I have no horse in this fight about third party stuff, but I'm sorry, this is a lie. I also play on the JP DC and I've had logs of my runs uploaded in the japanese language, are you going to say that weebs did it? Let's also not forget that UNNAMED was a fully JP team, trying to say that absolutely none of them use addons is disingenuous.

[Midareyukki]

Something to think about, wouldnt you say?

It for sure does.

Of course, I also have to wonder if you have evidence they absolutely do not use any?

These add-ons can be hidden away, mind you, only very daft people stream with them overlaid over. Some people also tend to hide their chats, so they conveniently put overlays there as well.

Considering you play in Kujata, you likely know that JP is very strict when it comes to those fights, they do things almost procedurally. It's not as reliant on adaptative play like NA/EU tend to be. So that might also have an impact. After all, there's a greater emphasis on minmaxing and pushing yourself to perform better in the Western raiding scene. No one says it's mandatory. No one says they can't clear the fight without them. If anything, and I don't raid so º3º feel free to correct me and elaborate at any time, I remember that the Savage was so hard that they had to lower the HP of a boss to fit for some tanks having issues meeting required damage output? One thing is SE doing it by their own metrics, but people in the West were mentioning how some classes were lagging behind, information measured with these tools. So there is an application for these things, as it at least allows for personal improvement.

Sorry to say but... usually if you want people to respect what you post and actually slam it down on them, it's up to you to provide the evidence. Not "just google it yourself". Because people can just as easily find contradicting evidence, or even nothing due to Google's algorythm. Otherwise? Everything you say can and is questionable, because then the question becomes "where did you get the information"?
I checked FFXIV Census, and it yields... nothing, bc they don't have Ultimate clears as a metric.
I checked Lalachievements, and it yielded that only 0.2% of the population had cleared TOP and have the title. It does not discriminate per region.
I checked XIVCollect and it too yields the same as Lalachievements.
Lodestone apparently would have me check one by one, which I'm sure you didn't do, it'd be far too asinine for anyone to try.

So when you say "By all means, go ahead and check. The results speak for themselves.", I assume you yourself did the research to be so bold and thus would have zero problem sharing your sources? Because sorry, I might be tremendously stupid and I own that, culpa mea, but I can't find that information anywhere.

Same for how JP uses no addons at all. I assume you have such evidence?

[Zebraoracle]

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I think a key component here is for JP players, if what you say is actually true (it may or may not be idk how to look into it), what percentage of those players plays to just clear vs playing to clear and play as well as possible. Because you can clear most fights with a lot of party members gray parsing (doing poor damage), and I'm really curious how, if JP players are playing to optimize, how they are going about doing that because the game itself does a pisspoor job of telling you how to play your job, much less learn an optimized rotation (staring hard at BLM here...).

Another key in this topic is basically, do the JP players consider ACT and FFLogs cheating or not. Not any other combat mod, specifically ACT for the purposes of analyzing damage numbers.

[VelKallor]

I have no horse in this fight about third party stuff, but I'm sorry, this is a lie. I also play on the JP DC and I've had logs of my runs uploaded in the japanese language, are you going to say that weebs did it? Let's also not forget that UNNAMED was a fully JP team, trying to say that absolutely none of them use addons is disingenuous.

As I understand it ( and bear in mind this was after the Omega incident ) this is what I was told. Check me on this then whats the PC usage in Japan vs console? Percentages?

[Aravell]

As I understand it ( and bear in mind this was after the Omega incident ) this is what I was told. Check me on this then whats the PC usage in Japan vs console? Percentages?

I wouldn't know about any percentages, but the evidence is there for you to see. You can travel to Mana and see some JP log runs, if you consider ACT an addon, then they very clearly do use addons.

[Zebraoracle]

I wouldn't know about any percentages, but the evidence is there for you to see. You can travel to Mana and see some JP log runs, if you consider ACT an addon, then they very clearly do use addons.

I mean ACT is objectively an addon/mod/whatever and against TOS. The question is more is it cheating or not.

[Raoabolic]

I mean ACT is objectively an addon/mod/whatever and against TOS. The question is more is it cheating or not.

Again, so is discord. Should the ToS be enacted when the PF finder has parties that require you to join their discord server? I can hear the complaints from the BA runners already if that's the case, lmao. Either way, it's a non issue since we can have this song and dance until the end of service but it's ultimately up to the devs and GMs to decide where the line is drawn.