Need advice: static imploding because of cheater.

[VelKallor]

Here's a can of worms I hope nobody opens. Even kernel-level anti-cheat is not gonna work. You think square has the ability to maintain an anticheat properly considering their current track record with responding to other feedback and technical difficulties? I will uninstall the game in a heartbeat if something akin to Riot Vanguard touches FFXIV, feels more like an attack vector than a game feature.

I am well aware of what a kernel rootkit can do, which is why i will never let any EA game within a thousand miles.

So you would refuse to improve.

If by "improving" you mean installing cheat programs? Yeah thats right, Id refuse immediately. I dont see why thats a problem for anyone. Wouldnt you?

Rise or fall, pass or fail, Id do so on my own merits. As it should be.

[Hoodcat]

I am well aware of what a kernel rootkit can do, which is why i will never let any EA game within a thousand miles.

But mass effect series D:

[Stormpeaks]

I am well aware of what a kernel rootkit can do, which is why i will never let any EA game within a thousand miles.



If by "improving" you mean installing cheat programs? Yeah thats right, Id refuse immediately. I dont see why thats a problem for anyone.

Rise or fall, pass or fail, Id do so on my own merits. As it should be.

How is FFlogs a cheat program though ? Lol.

[Rolder50]

It's the same as with bots, the currently available addons would be insanely easy to detect. That would not stay this way if they really did check. Assuming of course the game wouldnt just break on its own under the weight of anti cheat added. The assumption that SE would even be able to make one that doesnt make the game hilariously unfunctional isnt one based on facts.

The real issue with them adding anti-cheat is that they would be just asking to lose half their subscriber base overnight. Between raiders wanting logs and RPers wanting clothing edits and stuff, no way they would ban all of them.

[VelKallor]

How is FFlogs a cheat program though ? Lol.

As I can find ( and maybe you can help here )..it seems FFLogs takes its data from a third party program that isnt allowed in TOS. It doesnt take data from the game itself...you need a 3rd party program to get that to work.

So you tell me. is it?

Stormpeaks: if you were arguing in good faith Id continue..............but you arent.

We disagree, leave it there.

Later. Im busy.

[Stormpeaks]

As I can find ( and maybe you can help here )..it seems FFLogs takes its data from a third party program..ACT.

Is ACT allowed? No.

So you tell me. is it?

So improving is basically cheating because it comes from a third party.

Alrighty then

[VelKallor]

So improving is basically cheating because it comes from a third party.

Since the third party program isnt allowed...yes. If it took data from the game as it is, no..but as it requires the use of a third party program that is not allowed under TOS, and since I wont ever agree to use that program, no logs.

Seems simple to me.

But again, you already know this..so why ask?

[Stormpeaks]

Since the third party program isnt allowed...yes. If it took data from the game as it is, no..but as it requires the use of a third party program that is not allowed under TOS, and since I wont ever agree to use that program, no logs.

Seems simple to me.

But again, you already know this..so why ask?

Yeah you are something else, there is literally no way to improve without third party tools, I dont even do the content myself and I know that, you can improve your rotation sure by looking at icyveins or other sources (which by the way were used using third party tools to practice the best rotations). FFLogs is not cheating, neither is improving, the source where it comes from ? So be it that it's used for other things, but to literally call improving at the game cheating is absolutely ridiculous, and by calling fflogs cheating, you are calling improving at the game cheating.

[Mosha]

As I can find ( and maybe you can help here )..it seems FFLogs takes its data from a third party program that isnt allowed in TOS. It doesnt take data from the game itself...you need a 3rd party program to get that to work.

So you tell me. is it?

Stormpeaks: if you were arguing in good faith Id continue..............but you arent.

We disagree, leave it there.

Later. Im busy.

ACT legit just reads the in-game battle log, you can manually do the same thing and dump it into excel to make a parser that way, ACT just automates the process. It was originally built for EQ2 and what's funny about that I'm pretty sure Yoship used to play it so I would bet money that he has used ACT before.

a very simple parser would be adding up all the damage I do and / by the encounter length in seconds = my dps.

[Kazhar]

Yeah you are something else, there is literally no way to improve without third party tools, I dont even do the content myself and I know that

I gotta have to disagree with that, or at least add some nuance.
You can't improve without data. Improving by itself has nothing to do with fflogs. The thing is the best way to acquire that data by far is through the use of third party tools because the game by itself is extremely bad at giving you any competent evaluation of your performance (to prevent toxicity). FFlogs doesn't give you any information that's inaccessible so you technically don't ever need it. It's just more digest than all the alternatives.