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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    You somehow forgot Bozja back in Shadowbringers.
    But I guess you're too busy hating on Endwalker and Hildibrand to remember.
    I hope you realize you are actually helping his point here, considering Bozja was released in 5.2 and gave us a whole outside zone with fates and stuff. By comparison, 6.2 gave us island sanctuary aka mammet spreadsheet simulator.
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    Player RyuDragnier's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    I hope you realize you are actually helping his point here, considering Bozja was released in 5.2 and gave us a whole outside zone with fates and stuff. By comparison, 6.2 gave us island sanctuary aka mammet spreadsheet simulator.
    No, Bozja was added in 5.35.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    I hope you realize you are actually helping his point here, considering Bozja was released in 5.2 and gave us a whole outside zone with fates and stuff. By comparison, 6.2 gave us island sanctuary aka mammet spreadsheet simulator.
    How?
    Because he said 4.25 Stormblood. Bozja is 5.35 Shadowbringers, which comes AFTER Stormblood.
    His typing suggests we haven't gotten a Relic Zone Since Stormblood, which is 100% False.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    How?
    Because he said 4.25 Stormblood. Bozja is 5.35 Shadowbringers, which comes AFTER Stormblood.
    His typing suggests we haven't gotten a Relic Zone Since Stormblood, which is 100% False.
    Well I woopsed the patch number but no matter considering we already know we aren't getting an Relic Zone this expansion anyway. And I re-read the post and I don't see how you could interpret it as "since Stormblood". I think the point was more that they were able to do relic zones multiple expansions ago when they would presumably have less resources to work with.
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    Player Midareyukki's Avatar
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    With SHB you can argue that the pandemic kind of got in the way of stuff. Which it did. But eventually they got back on track.
    Square insists FF16 isn't getting in the way of 14's development.

    We're actually having more time between patches too, we should have a similar amount of work brought out.

    Caveat to consider: they're working on content that will be released in the future, which likely requires a lot more work to be done than the features we've seen now.
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    Sounds like a few people are asking for a mandatory log in every day to grind currency or fall behind system, you know one of the things people complained most about in WoW. No MMO has content that is new and fresh that occupies every minute of every players times between patches or expansions, it's just the nature of the genre. Content always takes longer to create than to consume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SieyaM View Post
    Sounds like a few people are asking for a mandatory log in every day to grind currency or fall behind system, you know one of the things people complained most about in WoW. No MMO has content that is new and fresh that occupies every minute of every players times between patches or expansions, it's just the nature of the genre. Content always takes longer to create than to consume.
    No, I'm asking for something that I can log in to do every day if I so wish. You do not fall behind by not participating in Eureka or Bozja because there are other ways to get the weapons and gear you need.

    In 4.25 I could log in to Eureka and chase after a variety of weapons and dyeable job gear. I had a zone to level through, and fates that aren't exactly pushovers if you don't pay attention, distinguishing them from overworld fate grinds.

    In 5.25 we got...an EX trial that dropped the dyeable job gear which was a nuissance since I couldn't just jump in at my leisure, and the weapon was a tome grind, which was also criticized as laughably easy back then.

    In 6.25 we got less than that. No armor equivalent, and the weapons being a tome grind again plus the loss of the ex Trial. In its place we got the flop that was Criterion and a trenchcoat no one wanted.

    They've proven they can release Exploratory Content by the .25 patch, and I would like to see a return to doing so in 7.X. And with a Deep Dungeon in the .35 patch as well. Hold SE to a higher standard. Again, and I will repeat this until some people get the message: you lose nothing from them doing a better job.
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    No, I'm asking for something that I can log in to do every day if I so wish. You do not fall behind by not participating in Eureka or Bozja because there are other ways to get the weapons and gear you need.

    In 4.25 I could log in to Eureka and chase after a variety of weapons and dyeable job gear. I had a zone to level through, and fates that aren't exactly pushovers if you don't pay attention, distinguishing them from overworld fate grinds.

    In 5.25 we got...an EX trial that dropped the dyeable job gear which was a nuissance since I couldn't just jump in at my leisure, and the weapon was a tome grind, which was also criticized as laughably easy back then.

    In 6.25 we got less than that. No armor equivalent, and the weapons being a tome grind again plus the loss of the ex Trial. In its place we got the flop that was Criterion and a trenchcoat no one wanted.

    They've proven they can release Exploratory Content by the .25 patch, and I would like to see a return to doing so in 7.X. And with a Deep Dungeon in the .35 patch as well. Hold SE to a higher standard. Again, and I will repeat this until some people get the message: you lose nothing from them doing a better job.
    Most people realistically only had the patience to work on one relic weapon and go through the zone progression which like I said, rushers like myself blazed through ONE ZONE less than a week. The content was in and out. Granted this never meant that it died out as fast as Criterion because of better rewards but the exploratory zones didnt retain players as well as you think they did.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    Well I woopsed the patch number but no matter considering we already know we aren't getting an Relic Zone this expansion anyway. And I re-read the post and I don't see how you could interpret it as "since Stormblood". I think the point was more that they were able to do relic zones multiple expansions ago when they would presumably have less resources to work with.
    Thats not what he typed. If thats what he meant, thats what he should have said.
    Not type something wrong and expect everyone to somehow know what he 'meant' to say

    Quote Originally Posted by Atelier-Bagur View Post
    Most people realistically only had the patience to work on one relic weapon and go through the zone progression which like I said, rushers like myself blazed through ONE ZONE less than a week. The content was in and out. Granted this never meant that it died out as fast as Criterion because of better rewards but the exploratory zones didnt retain players as well as you think they did.
    "But I like it, therefor that means its good. If I dont like it, that means its bad, even if many other people like it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by aveyond-dreams View Post
    you lose nothing from them doing a better job.
    They only lose one thing: They have to admit that SE might not be currently doing a perfect job. If SE can do better, that means they're not doing their best now, and the thought of that is anathema to their core beliefs.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso View Post
    They never were, and I dont think anyone ever claimed they did.
    Of course they aren't doing their best, although some people love to pretend otherwise.
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    Last edited by AwesomeJr44; 02-19-2023 at 12:28 PM.

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