Was any of the 6.3 content worth waiting 4 months for?

[VelKallor]

Is that also why auto demolition for houses exists ?

You only need log in once every 45 days, ya know. We BOTH know why auto demolish exists, so lets not be disingenuous here.

[AwesomeJr44]

6.3 delivered a lot more than you iterate here

I took a look through the patch notes before making the thread and didn't see anything else.

Most .3 MSQ's are short in nature, as they are ( well I wont use the word filler, more like continuation ) evolutions and setup for follow on story content.

With the exception of ARR, x.3 MSQs are supposed to be the finale of the story set up in x.2 and sometimes x.1. EW's patch quests are taking a different structure than patch quests usually do, but I don't feel like that excuses how irrelevant 6.3's MSQ really was. You can sum up the entire patch with the sentence "The fiends are dead, Golbez is on his shard's moon, and Zero is nice now."

The content, the mechanics..and My God the music were worth every moment.

The 'standard' boss music fits the first two bosses well, not so much Halone, and in my opinion wasn't really anything to write home about. It was ok, not bad, not great. Menphina's theme wasn't to my liking, but that's probably not a popular opinion.

For the mechanics, only the second boss really had anything that stood out. Nophica had the Chariots/Dynamos that we've seen a hundred times, and both Halone and Menphina overused half-room cleaves. Nothing outside of that second fight really was that unique. I guess maybe the blue/yellow flower circles in Nophica were alright?

I feel like Aglaia just did a better job in most, if not all, regards.

Had you forgotten 6.35? Relic? Loporrits tribe? Eureka Orthos?

This is all content that isn't available yet. For the relics and the deep dungeon, as I asked in the OP, is that content going to be worth the wait? I seem to remember a lot of hype around V/C dungeons and those were practically DOA. Both the relics and the deep dungeon have big shoes to fill, and I'm not convinced that they're going to be able to fill them, especially if the deep dungeon is just a copy paste of PotD with a couple new items. As for the Loporrits, that's just another daily chore to add to the pile. Beast tribes have never been engaging content, just a thing to log in every day to do.

And another question. If 6.35 is another failure of a patch, am I going to once again be told to "just wait until next patch"? It seems like every time a patch fails to have lasting content, I'm told to just wait until the next one, but when the next one has the same issue, I'm once again told to wait. When does it hit the point where we can recognize that this isn't a one off issue?

YoshiP HAS said dozens of times to take a break and come back..you dont have to be here every day ya know

If the solution to the issue is being forced to take a break for months due to lack of content, that seems like a terrible business model for an MMO.

Yeah I thought it was a great patch. Looking forward to the rest of it.

Why should you have to wait to get the rest of the patch that should already be released? The answer is you shouldn't, and said patch should have content that can last the rest of the patch cycle on it's own merit, not by artificially stretching it out by delaying it. Either that or if the content of said patch doesn't last four months, maybe the patch cycle needs to be shorter.

[CidHeiral]

Why should you have to wait to get the rest of the patch that should already be released? The answer is you shouldn't, and said patch should have content that can last the rest of the patch cycle on it's own merit, not by artificially stretching it out by delaying it. Either that or if the content of said patch doesn't last four months, maybe the patch cycle needs to be shorter.

My life doesn't revolve around the game so the wait isn't a big deal. The patch cycle was already quite brisk compared to MMOs I've played in the past and Yoship's explanation for why it increased to four months, namely the amount of work required and giving the devs more time for their personal lives, seems reasonable to me.

[Jeeqbit]

If the patch doesn't have enough content to last until the next patch, then yes.

The patch will never have enough content to last up until the next patch, because in order to develop enough dungeons, trials and raids to last more than a day they would need a team that is 12000% the size it currently is with the same sort of skills and experience.

Whether there is enough content is also subjective depending on if you do all the content and farm mounts. I still have plenty to do, personally.

[Escence]

6.3 delivered a lot more than you iterate here, and if you havent looked, I suggest you do. IMO 6.3 has been fantastic, I have enjoyed it and look forward to more. The patch cycle is fine, and is on a par with other MMO's



Most .3 MSQ's are short in nature, as they are ( well I wont use the word filler, more like continuation ) evolutions and setup for follow on story content. It was good and fun and I enjoyed it.



It was interesting, played as RPR, so yeah, agreed.



The content, the mechanics..and My God the music were worth every moment. The violin solos alone were absolutely wonderful, took me back to Lord of the Dance, absolutely joyous. The entire theme of these isnt serious ( well in one sense it is ) but as Soken said, the raid has a more festival / celebration theme, we arent fighting for some big bad, this is us and the Twelve, in a way they are testing us, to see how far we have come..loved every moment.



Had you forgotten 6.35? Relic? Loporrits tribe? Eureka Orthos?



Odd.

Funny that, I am finding LOADS to do, grabbed my Skysteel Fishing Rod yesterday ( yeah that was a slog but worth it), theres a lot of new crafting features and items...Im finding stuff to do easily. Not sure you remember, but YoshiP HAS said dozens of times to take a break and come back..you dont have to be here every day ya know



And yet..here you are. Aveyond, I get the feeling that it doesnt matter WHAT they do, you will still find fault. But thats you, I guess. Never have a kind word to say about the game..and yet, here you are...still.


Or people see the game differently than you do? We are getting a LOAD of sprouts, so Kujata is busy and happy.

This will be my first expansion with this game and I will say that these patches so could use more in terms of content to keep people playing the game until the next major patch drops. Let's be honest yoshi does not want you taking breaks from the game because that means you are going to cancel which in terms affect his paycheck so he wants to actively paying your sub and playing the game.

[Atelier-Bagur]

This will be my first expansion with this game and I will say that these patches so could use more in terms of content to keep people playing the game until the next major patch drops. Let's be honest yoshi does not want you taking breaks from the game because that means you are going to cancel which in terms affect his paycheck so he wants to actively paying your sub and playing the game.

A bit disingenous (man I'm starting to hate saying this word, its so overused) here. While technically true, realistically he doesnt imply or mean that he wants everyone in the game to just stop playing as they wouldnt be making money, that quote is more on the lines of the game lacking many of the predatory retention systems seen in other games where it actively requires you to keep playing 24/7 to progress, so them saying "take breaks" falls more on the faith and attitude they have were ideally you'd come back for more. So far its still working

[Absimiliard]

A bit disingenous (man I'm starting to hate saying this word, its so overused) here. While technically true, realistically he doesnt imply or mean that he wants everyone in the game to just stop playing as they wouldnt be making money, that quote is more on the lines of the game lacking many of the predatory retention systems seen in other games where it actively requires you to keep playing 24/7 to progress, so them saying "take breaks" falls more on the faith and attitude they have were ideally you'd come back for more. So far its still working

It has its own predatory retention practices in the form of housing demolition and animal guilt. The latter doesn't affect everyone, but those that do will feel compelled to stick around just because of their island critters. SE knows this. The former at least serves a purpose outside of player retention, but it does none the less serve as a means of keeping people from leaving for too long.

These two things are far less egregious than the practices of some other companies, but they are none the less very intentional.

[Atelier-Bagur]

It has its own predatory retention practices in the form of housing demolition and animal guilt. The latter doesn't affect everyone, but those that do will feel compelled to stick around just because of their island critters. SE knows this.

These two things are far less egregious than the practices of some other companies, but they are none the less very intentional.

True but how many people in this MMO can you realistically say they own a house? The risks of owning one is being dedicated to its commitment of maintaining it, which isnt required and its entirely optional to own a house if were talking about in-game progression. Personally this doesnt change my stance that the current system SUCKS HARD AND WE NEED INSTANCED HOUSING SERIOUSLY, but trying to say that housing is a point of retention doesnt hold much water as an argument due to the fact that its resource is premium and isnt a requirement for game progression. Again, owning a house under this limited system is an agreed commitment between the player and the game for staying subbed, and not everyone is willing to do so.

Also this is the first Ive heard of using the island critters as an argument for retention. Last time I check they dont require maintenance at all, same with your crops as they wont wither, nor your critters run away or die from not feeding them.

Both of these points arent good for this argument.

[CidHeiral]

Yeah I thought it was a great patch. Looking forward to the rest of it.

[CaedemSanguis]

As a hardcore raider doing TOP, definetely yes