Thread: Zenos will return in 7.0

Originally Posted by Antharaes

They brought Y'shtola back how many times ?? So why not Zenos. I quite liked the guy.

Its final fantasy. As much as they say its a new adventure, with his popularity, if Emet stays dead I'd be highly surprised.

If we get Lala(or Lop pls!) Zenos we might as well get Moogle Emet.

Tbh I got used to this maniac running around, demanding me to challenge him in a 1v1 PvP duel. So Yeah, I don't think I'll mind him coming back.

Originally Posted by Avatre

He died, leave him dead, delete any future references to him, and celebrate the most 1-dimensional character is gone.

Did he Actually "Die" though?
I mean, we didnt kill him or put him down, all we did was exhaust him and he laid down.

Now...he doesn't NEED to come back, but Id love it if he did!
He was a breath of Fresh air, not every freaking character needs to be this big complicated, deep, philosophical tragedy we have to feel sorry for or love.
Sometimes, a simple bad guy is needed. Sometimes less is More.

Originally Posted by Absimiliard

We are in agreement. This does not happen often, does it?

Fact is, Zenos did change quite a bit toward the end. However, the nature of that change is such that bringing him back in any form would devalue it to the point of being moot. The character's story ended in a very appropriate, impactful way.

Indeed. It is possible to disagree and remain civil; even respectful towards the opposing PoV. That tends to go out the window when people try to argue their opinion as a fact, and/or refuse to accept the truth.

It is a fact that Zenos did undergo development throughout the story, and I do agree that bringing him back would cheapen that. Now where's my minion, Yoshi P?

Originally Posted by Zanarkand-Ronso

Did he Actually "Die" though?

He did. Both fighters fought to the brink of death, but it was Zenos who succumbed to his injuries. There are a couple of things to take from this fight that let's us know he died. The first is he said vs the WoL he needs bring his all to bear, and that he will burn his candle to the end. The second tell tale sign is that the cutscene shows his breathing cease, indicating that his flame has burned out. Zenos achieved his end goal, and there wasn't anything left for him to live for. There was no reason for him to continue holding onto his existence.

That said, the WoL also almost died and we see him/her losing consciousness. Even if his/her mind said it was ok to enter eternal sleep at this point, the heart wasn't having any of that. Unlike Zenos, The WoL's heart is full of purpose outside of an ultimate duel with the ultimate foe: Life, love, friends, adventure.

I seem to recall Yoshi-P confirming in an interview that Zenos was truly dead.

Originally Posted by Absimiliard

I seem to recall Yoshi-P confirming in an interview that Zenos was truly dead.

Yeah Yoshi P said something to the effect in a joking manor in the Island Sanctuary Live letter some time back but Yoshikawa flat out said it in an interview with Gaming Radar.

Originally Posted by Gaming Radar Interview

Zenos has been a threat to players for years. The villain's story was wrapped up in Endwalker, just like the Hydaelyn and Zodiark arc, and both Yoshida and Ishikawa are very happy with the end result. "His story needed no further embellishment, nor any further happiness or misery," says Ishikawa, adding that because Zenos wasn't concerned with how others saw him, she had no hesitation in writing out the closure of his story. Yoshida, on the other hand, says Zenos was the only one who saw the Warrior of Light as a simple adventurer again, joking that when the villain asks "did you find… fulfillment?", that doubles as a question from the development team to the player

It seems like Yoshi P liked Zenos for what he was more that Yoshikawa did.

Originally Posted by Renalt

Majima Everywhere is the greatest thing ever.

Its a shame we didn't get more of that in later Yskuza games. I'm fairly new to the series and am currently playing through Yakuza 3 and Iwould have loved it if occasionally we got Majima harassing Kiryu for a random fight. Lol, loved his grand entrance in Yakuza Kiwami during the starting cutscene in the Underground arena. That dude is truly a hilarious maniac and I love him for it! xD