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  1. #91
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    Quote Originally Posted by Absimiliard View Post
    The most logical (and seemingly accurate) explanation for why Zenos didn't get involved with Eorzea sooner is simply that it wasn't his row to hoe. Someone that "done" with life isn't exactly going to go out of his way to intervene on behalf of another ranking Garlean officer without a very good reason, and at that time the WoL was likely beneath his notice.

    As for why a man with all that power wouldn't just go do whatever he wanted? Lack of drive. It was made known to us that Zenos's childhood was uh... horrible, to put it bluntly. He was vastly superior to all of his peers, and even the man chosen to teach him the art of the sword could only hold an edge over him due to the Garlean people's inherent deficiency in manipulating aether. Zenos was so determined to master his teacher's skills that he shoved crystals into his flesh, allowing him to utilize their aether. With this, he proceeded to slay his instructor with the man's own technique. It would be the last time he felt much of anything until meeting the WoL, an individual in whom he saw a great rival.

    Being raised as a child soldier, or in his case a child supersoldier, kinda robs you of a lot of perspective. There are a great many things in the world you're like as not never going to consider pursuing, and life paths other than those thrust upon you by your caretakers are pretty high on that last. His upbringing aside (noting also that he had caretakers/handlers, as his parents couldn't be arsed to bother with him), his unusual abilities more or less meant he was a pariah. Not just to others, but even in his own mind. He knew he wasn't like them. Prodigious talent has a way of alienating people to an insane degree, unfortunately.
    Varis was also far from father of the year material. He knew that swordmaster could kill his son and didn't do anything to stop it. He talks about Zenos being a monster later on but he created that monster with neglect, indifference, and zeal to just use him for Garlean's own ends.

    I didn't really care for Zenos until EW and reading the Chronicle of Light story, but now I feel it's a shame he never got the chance to be someone else. Gaius did (but they admitted his living was a retcon), but Yotsuyu didn't and neither did Zenos. Not all villains need some sort of redemption. Ilberd and Thordan show us that. But EW showed that Zenos did take what Alisaie said to heart and I felt that sort of development deserved at least a chance to follow a different path.

    We didn't see him dissolve into aether, so I do still have some small hope we might see his return.
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  2. #92
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    Quote Originally Posted by TaleraRistain View Post
    But EW showed that Zenos did take what Alisaie said to heart and I felt that sort of development deserved at least a chance to follow a different path.
    My read on that was that Zenos just doubled down on his existing path. He still didn't care about actually doing anything constructive with his power; he just finally realized that the only way to get the fight he wanted was to help clear our obstacles so we'd have no further distractions. He has no interest in saving the world or stopping the Final Day; he only helps us fight the Endsinger to get her out of his way.
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  3. #93
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk View Post
    My read on that was that Zenos just doubled down on his existing path. He still didn't care about actually doing anything constructive with his power; he just finally realized that the only way to get the fight he wanted was to help clear our obstacles so we'd have no further distractions. He has no interest in saving the world or stopping the Final Day; he only helps us fight the Endsinger to get her out of his way.
    Nobody's encouraged him to do anything constructive with his power. I think just like Fourchenault thought we were a bad influence on the kids, we could be a good influence there. Like Cid (and Jessie) turned Nero to constructive uses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Themarvin View Post
    Please no... Zeno was and is one of the worst characters ever.... waste of time character.
    The only thing I really hate Zenos for was killing off Varis, therefore robbing the last chance for the Garlean faction to have any real agency or proper development in the story instead of being entirely off-screened. After all, the only reason the Ascian arc was rescued in the end was because the writing staff created Emet-Selch and retconned Solus into being one of his personas to advance the Ascian plot. Beyond that, I consider Zenos a necessary force to the story, Fandaniel is probably way more at fault for what ultimately happened to Garlemald right afterwards.

    I will take back those words if we actually get to go to Corvos and get a proper resolution with the remaining Garleans there, but it's looking more doubtful as time goes on.
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    "Consider this old adage: When a Bard sings alone in a desert, and no one is around to hear him... Is he truly singing?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by hynaku View Post
    No he better come back as a Loporrits.
    yep.

    A very angry and bored Loporrit called "Selfishway".

    He walks around bored and cold to everyone but trying to find anyone capable of beating him in a Triple Triad match. In fact, he could be the "last boss" of the mini game having the best AI when we play TT against him. He could give us a special Triple Triad card if we beat him. The card could be a beaten-to-death Zenos with 1 in all sides of the card (best card for the reverse rule, btw).
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    Last edited by Wanzzo; 02-24-2023 at 12:44 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soge01 View Post
    As a Lalafell set to the smallest size. You will fear him. You will love him. And you will want to punt him or give him many headpats. The choice is yours~
    We already have Zezekuta..
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    I do think I would unironically enjoy Zenos' voice actor in a lalafell body. It sounds hilarious.
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    FFXIV players let a popular character stay dead challenge (Impossible) (Gone Violent?)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wanzzo View Post
    yep.

    A very angry and bored Loporrit called "Selfishway".

    He walks around bored and cold to everyone but trying to find anyone capable of beating him in a Triple Triad match. In fact, he could be the "last boss" of the mini game having the best AI when we play TT against him. He could give us a special Triple Triad card if we beat him. The card could be a beaten-to-death Zenos with 1 in all sides of the card (best card for the reverse rule, btw).

    You win the Interwebs this month!
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    Clearly he has to return once an ultimate or two feature him, duh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Orinori View Post
    Aren't you the same Saraide who makes every savage pf blacklist you because you can never do a mechanic correctly and constantly causes enrage wipes? Pretty ironic to read this lmfao

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