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    Bounty Hunter System

    I would like to propose a bounty hunter system that lets you sign up to be a bounty hunter.

    This would be like the mentor roulette except that it's not a roulette at all.

    It would allow you to open up a menu and let you see the instances where a player character that has not cleared a duty for the first time is queued and allow you to queue in with him.

    The longer the queue has been sitting, the bigger the gil reward.

    This would funnel mentors and other bored people who want to help exactly where they are needed, reward them, and they will knowingly sign up for EX fights and other things that are currently dead in the game via roulette without them throwing a fit and rage quitting. Since they will know the duty.

    The system will obviously say which role type slots are not filled and not let you queue in as a third tank for example.
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    This could essentially trigger after someone has been waiting more than 10 minutes for a duty. that way, you don't get spammed with a bunch of things that fill up quickly anyways.
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    Mentor roulette already attempts to get you to queue for duties that people have been in queue for the longest. The people in a queue for a specific duty are mostly first timers.

    So this is really just asking that we can see the internal matching system, which at a moment's notice may be out of date as it automatically matches people together.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Mentor roulette already attempts to get you to queue for duties that people have been in queue for the longest. The people in a queue for a specific duty are mostly first timers.

    So this is really just asking that we can see the internal matching system, which at a moment's notice may be out of date as it automatically matches people together.
    Yes, the current mentor roulette fails completely at getting content filled for anything except the most basic duties. Mentors will drop out if its an EX almost immediately, specially from HW +.

    Also, if two sprouts are queued, and one is for Shiva EX, and the other is for Sastasha, the mentor roulette will automatically funnel you to the fastest one if it can fill it with you and take you out of the Shiva queue, making that sprout wait for hours on end, especially alliance raid runs like SB + HW.

    This way, you can stick to what you signed up for. And sprouts can get help quicker.

    I'll give an example:
    Ruby Weapon EX. If a sprout is determined enough to clear it, sits in the queue for 5 hours, the bounty balloons to 5 million gil, that EX WILL run. (Clear is debatable, although a 50% reward should be given for running the duty timer till the end)

    This would never happen under current systems.
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    Last edited by Ath192; 02-15-2023 at 04:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Mentor roulette already attempts to get you to queue for duties that people have been in queue for the longest. The people in a queue for a specific duty are mostly first timers.

    So this is really just asking that we can see the internal matching system, which at a moment's notice may be out of date as it automatically matches people together.
    This is a complete myth, as is the belief that it prioritizes duties with sprouts or first-timers. People spend hours waiting in Alliance Raid queues while Mentor Roulette just throws you into Praetorium and Alzadaal's Legacy over and over with no hesitation. The algorithms are undoubtedly faulty, however cryptic they may be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VictorSpoils View Post
    This is a complete myth, as is the belief that it prioritizes duties with sprouts or first-timers. People spend hours waiting in Alliance Raid queues while Mentor Roulette just throws you into Praetorium and Alzadaal's Legacy over and over with no hesitation. The algorithms are undoubtedly faulty, however cryptic they may be.
    The 3.2 patch says "Mentors will also gain access to Duty Roulette: Mentor, which assigns players to duties that are struggling to fill party member slots", so maybe their definition of "struggling" is the same as it is for all other roulettes rather than those that have been in the queue for a long time.
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    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

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    Want to know why new content will never last more than 20 minutes? Full breakdown:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    The 3.2 patch says "Mentors will also gain access to Duty Roulette: Mentor, which assigns players to duties that are struggling to fill party member slots", so maybe their definition of "struggling" is the same as it is for all other roulettes rather than those that have been in the queue for a long time.
    Yes, but this is a fundamental flaw in my opinion, because the amount of traffic going through the basic duties will get that person their run rather fast, with or without the mentor being funneled into it, whereas it completely kills the other harder content because any person queued in the roulette will get funneled to move other things faster along the line.

    Just because a Sastasha run is "struggling" to get a healer within 10 seconds of a new player being queued, that doesn't mean it's really struggling, or that the run will take any more than 5 minutes to fill up. Whereas a queue that's been in wait for 60 minutes would actually be the practical definition of struggling.

    However, this proposed system isn't meant to replace any other in existence, it is meant to be a new feature added to the game thats a win - win for both new players and veterans alike. Since there is a monetary incentive for the veterans to continue logging on and playing the game at endgame and new players get to fill duties that would otherwise never run.

    This would make the duty roulette much more functional than it already is, and it would reduce the need for Mentors to recommend new players to use the PF instead because they are wasting their time in the roulette. - a negative experience.
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    ngl I was hoping you meant it as in, you actually go around and kill bots, harass the harrassers, kill stalkers and try to clean up the filth and dirt of the FFXIV community lol
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    while the idea isnt bad however we already have the mentor roulette we really dont need another system that rewards people for helping others people already abuse the mentor roulette preferring to farm the mount over actually helping people, while iam not opposed to this idea i am opposed to it having any type of reward tied to it
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    So, OP is asking to be able to get under the hood of the mentor system to pull a list that will be very lengthy and in need of filtering so they could properly pick and choose. I'd say that has a snowball's chance in hell.
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