Request: Add modified variant dungeons to standard dungeon roulette

[Iscah]

Since we went down to one standard dungeon per patch, the level cap and expert roulettes have been lacking in variety. Meanwhile, the effort is going into building variant dungeons, but they are locked off as their own separate content.

Would it be possible to take the variant dungeon and reconfigure it into a standard dungeon that could go in the standard roulette? Perhaps unlocked by completing the variant dungeon itself.

As for layout, perhaps you could run each of the three paths in sequence, returning back to the main hub between each path – similar to how Matoya's Relict is arranged. Take out the midboss of course, or start each route from after the midboss chamber rather than the beginning.

The puzzles and variable boss skills would probably have to be taken out, but maybe it could just pick from all the skills randomly instead of being locked into one.

Edit to be clear: I mean in addition to the variant dungeon format, not replacing it. I thoroughly enjoyed puzzling out the various paths, and would like to revisit it more regularly.

[Absimiliard]

I quite like the sound of this. A little bit of randomness mixed into what would otherwise be a wholly scripted experience sounds rather refreshing.

[VelKallor]

Perhaps unlocked by completing the variant dungeon itself.

Locking it off for the MAJORITY that dont do variants.

No.

[Iscah]

Locking it off for the MAJORITY that dont do variants.

No.

Is it a majority? Really?

The difficulty level isn't any different to a standard dungeon, just with slightly different mechanisms, and there was much (and largely positive) discussion of it when it came out. That indicates to me that a lot of people were doing it.

Are you confusing it with the "criterion dungeon" extra-hard boss rush?

I said "perhaps", but there isn't really any other logical way to unlock such a thing, when the dungeon is all tied up in the separate quest for the variant dungeon itself. This hypothetical thing would be like a shadow of that dungeon experience, reconfigured for the standard roulette, but you can't go over the quests a second time.

It wouldn't be a huge imposition to expect people to complete it once to unlock the roulette version. No different in the end to setting an optional standard dungeon.

[Ath192]

I have to disagree simply because I hate the duty roulette. The roulettes are the reason everyone complains about everything and all content gets dumbed down to the point where everything feels lobotomized. It wasn’t a good system, and the accessibility and convenience it’s brings also killed the social aspect of the game because now everyone can silently make others put up with them and then they can complain about it online.

It has turned every single piece of content from a treat to a chore everyone is rushing about and being toxic to anyone that doesn’t hurry up and shut up.

So no, honestly I think it should be discontinued altogether even thought this will never happen, but anything I can spare from that bottomless pit I would. All it’s gonna do is turn it into a mindless corridor like everything else in there.

Typical roulette mentality: oh you want to kills those mobs in order to open that extra room? Hell no! Stfu and hurry up noob. Quit disrespecting my time.

At least when it’s. A premade there’s already a small bond between the players and they are more amenable and friendly with each other.

[DiaDeem]

No. I hope we get a Variant Dungeon roulette (that can still be solo'd, duo'd etc.) by itself.

[Iscah]

All it’s gonna do is turn it into a mindless corridor like everything else in there.

Well, yes that is technically what I am asking for – the dungeon adapted into the linear hallway structure of a standard dungeon to put it in the roulette.

Everything else you've written seems irrelevant to this. Your dislike of the roulette will be the same whether there are two or three dungeons included in it. Even assuming you are correct in thinking it's not a good thing for the game overall, it's a horse that has long bolted and I greatly doubt we would ever be rid of it, so it might as well have as much variety as can be managed.

[Ath192]

Well, yes that is technically what I am asking for – the dungeon adapted into the linear hallway structure of a standard dungeon to put it in the roulette.

Everything else you've written seems irrelevant to this. Your dislike of the roulette will be the same whether there are two or three dungeons included in it. Even assuming you are correct in thinking it's not a good thing for the game overall, it's a horse that has long bolted and I greatly doubt we would ever be rid of it, so it might as well have as much variety as can be managed.

I mean to some degree you are correct, except the last part. It’s going in the opposite direction. Why would you want more corridors? Even the Devs themselves are releasing less of these, not more. Like wouldn’t the investment be better spent doing something more creative? I realize I sound jaded but I also want variety like you, it’s just I don’t feel this is the answer. I want something better than these crumbs.

[Iscah]

Why would you want more corridors? Even the Devs themselves are releasing less of these, not more.

Because the roulette has you go through one corridor per day for levelling purposes, and a bigger variety of them is still variety.

I wouldn't be asking for more built from scratch, but when they've constructed the dungeon already and at least theoretically all that needs doing is sticking three bits of it end-to-end to create a linear version. It's already built as a series of hallway segments, essentially. (I'm sure it would take more work than that, but the basic design of the hallways, monster spawns and bosses is already there.)

It would allow this to come up in the regular roulette instead of only when you deliberately queue for the one specific dungeon.

[Deveryn]

Let's wait for them to add more variants and get a roulette from that.