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    Valence's Avatar
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    Sunie Dakwhil
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    Twintania
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    Machinist Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar View Post
    - Make crowd control effects have a common diminishing return. This can be felt in CC but also in Frontline where you are literally unable to play your character for 20s and more. Combine that with Purify not doing what’s its supposed to do or crowd control effects that can’t be removed and you leave players with a sour taste in their mouth. I mostly play tank and watching just a few players disabling your character for 20s while you are a sitting duck is not a good feeling. It’s worse for healers and dps who die much quicker.
    Having diminishing returns on CC would literally negate any kind of punishment for overextending players, if they get progressively insensitive to it anyway. If you burn your purify and decide to continue rushing headlong, you deserve to be punished for it. Actual good melee players at the top are already obnoxious to cc and kill because they're aware of this. Don't make this go overboard with that kind of nonsense.

    FLs is another can of worms though, but I do believe the same principles still apply. People that get literally chainstunned even in FL usually did something very stupid to get the attention of 20 different players, and then complain that it's not fair. Sometimes it happens to me, and I'm not throwing a tantrum about it, because it's probably MY mistake in the first place.

    Quote Originally Posted by True-to-Caesar View Post
    - Sprint should not be permanent or an on/off ability. Absolute trash when playing melee and running after a target. Make it have a 1min cooldown with a 10-15s duration, without being removed while using skills. Just as in PvE
    That way, people will learn how to position themselves and when to use it properly instead of a “oh crap” button.
    Playing mostly ranged myself in CC, melees can already be absolutely obnoxious to deal with and they're filled with gap closers and cc to the brim (for most), while ranged jobs often also have to deal with cast times or reduced mobility to make a stand. If the idea is to completely shut down any ranged job instead of just pressuring them, then by all means, remove us one of the only ways we have to get away.

    I do believe that this is just an actual red herring because once you're reduced to a scenario where a melee is chasing behind a ranged (or any job trying to flee for their life really) for ages after the initial clash and burst, we're in a situation where:

    1) The melee just failed to burst down the target, or successfully pressured the target away.
    2) The team mates of the target player are not doing their job into punishing such a stupid over extension, which can indicate the team already crumbling and choking, or just bad play.
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    Last edited by Valence; 02-13-2023 at 02:12 AM.

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    True-to-Caesar's Avatar
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    Kyros Orsidius
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    Sagittarius
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    Gunbreaker Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Valence View Post
    Playing mostly ranged myself in CC, melees can already be absolutely obnoxious to deal with and they're filled with gap closers and cc to the brim (for most), while ranged jobs often also have to deal with cast times or reduced mobility to make a stand. If the idea is to completely shut down any ranged job instead of just pressuring them, then by all means, remove us one of the only ways we have to get away.

    I do believe that this is just an actual red herring because once you're reduced to a scenario where a melee is chasing behind a ranged (or any job trying to flee for their life really) for ages after the initial clash and burst, we're in a situation where:

    1) The melee just failed to burst down the target, or successfully pressured the target away.
    2) The team mates of the target player are not doing their job into punishing such a stupid over extension, which can indicate the team already crumbling and choking, or just bad play.
    If you spam sprint to kite, you can get away from most situations from melees because they simply have no slow to chase targets.

    Best case a gap closer gives you a chance to use a small stun or a single ability if you don’t have any cc at all. That’s why you see it in other games because the ranged class would just run, spam abilities while watching the melee chasing and dying because they were not able to catch up. Ranged themselves usually have crowd control abilities such as a snare or a slow, to allow them for a bit of breathing room.

    We have none of that here. Just spam sprint and that’s it. It’s cheesy as hell. I’m sure you yourself just saw yet another ninja abusing this and went like «*yea keep running dog*», because there’s basically nothing to be done unless you have a squad with ccs to prevent the ninja from playing at all.
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    Last edited by True-to-Caesar; 02-13-2023 at 03:05 PM.