Inevitable Job Simplifications?

[Renathras]

1 hour: Oh I need to press all 3 buttons that light up, the order is not important
2 hour: Oh I need to spam my basically single oGCD when i use my buff
3 hour: Oh bahamut is sooo stronkk i think i buff there
4 hour: Im a fucking pro with this class, wheew, now? What other class do I play?

And if you get to that point? BLM: Exists. RDM: Exists. Basically EVERY OTHER JOB IN THE GAME: Exists.

It doesn't offer a mechanic that can be explored well by going months and improving yourself.

Not every Job NEEDS that. In fact, it would probably be very unhealthy for the game if every Job DID take months and months to get anywhere close to optimal with.

With the old smn,

We're not talking about Old SMN.

We all agree Old SMN shouldn't have been removed from the game.

lol, fair enough. Viable, then? Or optimal, perhaps...

Also... Hello there! It's your favorite cultist again trying to make you see the light!

Who are you?

I feel like I should be saying something like "But for me, it was Tuesday" here...

The graph isn't data. It's a meme. Come back when you can turn that into actual data. Again, what's the Y-axis in that "graph"? It's nothing, because it's a meme and has no actual meaning. That graph isn't a valid "argument".

Yeah, the Devs need to seriously reexamine stats and builds, maybe in 7.0. But that's not the problem (of discussion) here. Nor is New SMN not having higher optimization. Again, no arguments yet why it's necessary for it to, only people saying it "should".

Far as I can tell, there's no objective reason that New SMN NEEDS to be more complex and ISN'T working as it is. All the data suggests that it's working as it is and is very well liked and used by the community. It seems odd to insist so strongly that it's bad and broken given that. While popular doesn't always mean GREAT, it generally does mean at least somewhat GOOD. There are reasons perfume doesn't come in "skunk" and "rotten cheese" or "cow manure". Because, it turns out, things that are pretty awful...tend not to be very popular or well liked.

There's an extremely vocal minority that hates it, but in terms of play numbers, it's the Caster players are gravitating more to than the others.

PART OF THAT - I think - is because RDM seriously needs some potency buffs to be above Ranged levels of damage. But that doesn't change the fact people would probably still pick SMN more, and that BLM is still being sidelined as soon as people get the chance.

I again contend that the problem isn't New SMN, and that New SMN is fine. The problem is that Old SMN was removed - something no one's contesting, so I assume we all more or less agree on that point, at least.

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Oh, and for reference, in case anyone is somehow misunderstanding the Hydaelyn/Zodiark remark...it's because "for the love of God" is somewhat less fitting in a FFXIV discussion group, and there are two prevailing - for lack of a better word - cults in the mythos, those being that of Zodiark and ARGUABLY Hydaelyn. Religion doesn't seem QUITE the right word for it. But take from that what you will.

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But hey, at the end of the day, I'm not going to convince any of you because you aren't basing your positions on data or metrics or even player behavior and apparent preferences...and the Devs aren't listening anyway. So I guess it doesn't matter in the end... /shrug

I'm still putting in my vote for Green Mage Caster next Job added..