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    Player Ardeth's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    Thing is most games do actually get "harder" as you play them and progress. It's part of playing the game. The difference is that a lot of games achieve this without people really noticing. Most of the time people won't notice this at all unless there is a noticeable spike at some point in the game or if they stop playing for a long period of time without finishing the game then come back to it later.
    All I'm saying is there's a limit to what your average "casual" player will do. Some people do savage and some people never do extremes. Things getting gradually harder is fine, but there still is a skill ceiling. And knowing that is making the game for everyone. Unnerfed Orbonne is a good example of meaning well, but missing the point. The fact that people would quit when they got it off of their roulettes proves that is was a mistake. And they nerfed it and people stopped leaving. Everyone is different and we all have different skill levels. I'd just rather find a perfect balance while still giving people their hard content. Just don't force people to do it. And they don't. Orbonne was completely optional. Savage and extremes are completely optional. About the only thing that isn't optional is story and it's the easiest thing for a reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ardeth View Post
    All I'm saying is there's a limit to what your average "casual" player will do.
    And it isn't always about skill. I was a raider for years. I just won't put that time into it anymore. Not what I enjoy *anymore*. I play for the story, and I'm completely happy to learn what is needed to play 'normal' level content, and I'll do raid roulettes, too. I choose not to go into higher difficulties, because I have no patience for the kind of people that tend to cluster in those raids. Not that all are like that, but, enough.

    As far as 'difficulty'...if 'some difficulty' is ok, why isn't Bahamut in the roulettes anymore? Hmm? (Yes, I 2-manned it with my son to see the story, as I came to XIV too late for it to be 'current content')

    Anyway, I have no problem with the newer dungeons, and I very much enjoyed the flame dude trial, can't think of his name atm.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeshLives View Post
    As far as 'difficulty'...if 'some difficulty' is ok, why isn't Bahamut in the roulettes anymore? Hmm? (Yes, I 2-manned it with my son to see the story, as I came to XIV too late for it to be 'current content')
    BCoB was prior to the dev's decision to release NM raids so players could experience the story. Alexander was the first to do this. Putting Coils in the raid roulette would sync all participants down to 50, and they will have to do it under a difficulty not intended for casual players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KeshLives View Post
    As far as 'difficulty'...if 'some difficulty' is ok, why isn't Bahamut in the roulettes anymore? Hmm? (Yes, I 2-manned it with my son to see the story, as I came to XIV too late for it to be 'current content')
    "Any more" implied it had at one point in the past part of the roulette. So the easy answer here is because it never was. There is no "easy" version of Coil for it to be in roulette. You will essentially put people in a savage level fight. And while the fights in general requires less precision and reflex, they're no thing to be scoff at in term of mechanic and require probably more coordination then current raid, even in the early fight. For example:

    - The very first boss requires a party split and DPS coordination.
    - The snake 2 mechanic you see P8S that PF still wipe to "ALL THE TIME" is a watered down version of the shriek mechanic first seen in the 2nd boss of second coil.
    - And Phoenix is ... yeah. If anyone think P3S is bad, that because they didn't do or remember Coil Phoenix in all its glory.

    If Coil roullette is a thing, it'll make Ivalice raid looks like picnic.
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    And it isn't always about skill. I was a raider for years. I just won't put that time into it anymore. Not what I enjoy *anymore*. I play for the story, and I'm completely happy to learn what is needed to play 'normal' level content, and I'll do raid roulettes, too. I choose not to go into higher difficulties, because I have no patience for the kind of people that tend to cluster in those raids. Not that all are like that, but, enough.
    This is where I and others stand, tbh, been there done that, I am certain a Mage of our acquaintance will say "You dont do it because you are bad, graylet" or some such nonsense.

    The harder difficulties are there for people to do, sure, but that doesnt mean it APPEALS to as many as it used to.

    A day or so ago, one of our more "enthusiastic" players decided to set up a PF for....Nidhogg Extreme, min ilevel no echo...later commented on his intense disappointment when no one wanted to do it.

    No two guesses as to why.

    Normal content is MEANT to be easily completed, it is STORY oriented, not meant to be a hard slog or a brick wall, Ill be blunt and say that what I believe I am seeing here is "make it harder so only the WORTHY get to see the content, "you should want to do savage you should want to do extreme"...this is the WOW mindset and quite frankly has no place here

    I should do whatever suits ME, not you or your agenda for what you want the game to be.

    t's all about "I have a life outside video games, and I refuse to schedule that life around a game, even if I do play it a lot." For me, it's that simple. I play games as my leisure time a lot, but, if family/spouse/etc want to do something out of the blue, I'm not going to tell them "Oh, sorry, can't spend time with you, I'm in a raid." YMMV.
    Yup. Exactly. My schedule is varied, I play FF 14 for one reason mainly..I can log off and go do whatever whenever the hell I feel like it, I am beholden to no one's timelines or schedules, I do what I want when I want as it suits me. Forty years of dancing to others tunes, nights, weekends, holidays, mornings, afternoons, fifteen hour shifts, split shifts, broken or no sleep...been there done that.

    Not anymore.

    "But you can do it in PF if you want to"..again no thanks. FF 14 is marketed and RUN as casual, fun based, come and go as you please. "Make the content harder" isnt going to help anything. This is a STORY DRIVEN MMO, so making the story harder to get through isnt going to do anything but anger people and have them walk away.

    I suspect we have more than few people who want this game to be more like WOW.....HARD PASS.
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    Last edited by VelKallor; 02-14-2023 at 02:17 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VelKallor View Post
    This is where I and others stand, tbh, been there done that, I am certain a Mage of our acquaintance will say "You dont do it because you are bad, graylet" or some such nonsense.

    The harder difficulties are there for people to do, sure, but that doesnt mean it APPEALS to as many as it used to.

    A day or so ago, one of our more "enthusiastic" players decided to set up a PF for....Nidhogg Extreme, min ilevel no echo...later commented on his intense disappointment when no one wanted to do it.

    No two guesses as to why.

    Normal content is MEANT to be easily completed, it is STORY oriented, not meant to be a hard slog or a brick wall, Ill be blunt and say that what I believe I am seeing here is "make it harder so only the WORTHY get to see the content, "you should want to do savage you should want to do extreme"...this is the WOW mindset and quite frankly has no place here

    I should do whatever suits ME, not you or your agenda for what you want the game to be.



    Yup. Exactly. My schedule is varied, I play FF 14 for one reason mainly..I can log off and go do whatever whenever the hell I feel like it, I am beholden to no one's timelines or schedules, I do what I want when I want as it suits me. Forty years of dancing to others tunes, nights, weekends, holidays, mornings, afternoons, fifteen hour shifts, split shifts, broken or no sleep...been there done that.

    Not anymore.

    "But you can do it in PF if you want to"..again no thanks. FF 14 is marketed and RUN as casual, fun based, come and go as you please. "Make the content harder" isnt going to help anything. This is a STORY DRIVEN MMO, so making the story harder to get through isnt going to do anything but anger people and have them walk away.

    I suspect we have more than few people who want this game to be more like WOW.....HARD PASS.
    Totally agree and would upvote this post 100 times more if I could!
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