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    Quote Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro View Post
    Just as a tank can just turn on tank stance and aoe, and a dps can just hit buttons, a healer can just spam heals (which is also the bare minimum). I think in all cases the player leaves without a sense of knowing what they are doing wrong. The dps doesn't know they could be outputting way more dps due to a lack of proper rotation. The tank fails to understand how to mitigate properly to take less damage overall. Lastly, the healer doesn't understand the need to balance proper damage with healing either thru the use of strictly oGCDs and using GCDs only when they are necessary (or in some cases because of lower end content where oGCD tools are lacking).

    So I believe dungeons are considered the easiest content because the bosses are the easiest in the game, the mobs can be burned at whatever rate you want with the bare minimum, and there is very little setback on a wipe (dying during a boss is the only real setback which is minimal).
    I would say most people outside the healer don't notice when the tank doesn't use mitigation properly (also making the healers job more difficult). Healers who dont dps usually get harassed unlike the other roles. If you try and spam heal with the wrong spells (which most inexperienced healer do) then you risk running out of mp and dying anyways. Healer job is more difficult period in dungeons, no contest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada View Post
    I would say most people outside the healer don't notice when the tank doesn't use mitigation properly (also making the healers job more difficult). Healers who dont dps usually get harassed unlike the other roles. If you try and spam heal with the wrong spells (which most inexperienced healer do) then you risk running out of mp and dying anyways. Healer job is more difficult period in dungeons, no contest.
    But is that due to the difficulty of the dungeon, or the players you are playing with? I think you are misunderstanding the two. If you have DPS that are playing optimally and tanks that use proper mits, your job arguably becomes the easiest of the 3. When its the latter, you are scrambling because you are technically the only role that can "save" it with your tools. A dps dies to an aoe? Other than a redmage/summoner, only you can save them XD. Heals, shields, etc. are more needed when enemies live longer and players take more unnecessary damage. With your logic, every form of content is hardest on healer because if the players are the worst things imaginable, more heals, shields, and rezzes are needed which healers can supply.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro View Post
    But is that due to the difficulty of the dungeon, or the players you are playing with? I think you are misunderstanding the two. If you have DPS that are playing optimally and tanks that use proper mits, your job arguably becomes the easiest of the 3. When its the latter, you are scrambling because you are technically the only role that can "save" it with your tools. A dps dies to an aoe? Other than a redmage/summoner, only you can save them XD. Heals, shields, etc. are more needed when enemies live longer and players take more unnecessary damage. With your logic, every form of content is hardest on healer because if the players are the worst things imaginable, more heals, shields, and rezzes are needed which healers can supply.
    Even with proper mit and dps playing optimal it is not a matter of just using 1 skill. You need to know your kit, using the wrong heals will get your tank killed even with mit. I'm not saying it's crazy difficult but it is much harder for a player using the job for the first time to learn. If you think you can just afk and spam heal then you don't heal very much. People expect you to know how to dps and heal at the same time regardless of experience. Nobody gives the healer the benefit of the doubt when it comes to experience. While nobody cares if the dps are not playing optimally, or if the tank isn't using mit.

    My logic does not state that, in fact it is the opposite. Once a healer knows what they are doing aka more experienced, they are then introduced to content that has a lot less healer responsibility. Raids will use raid wide aoe's but that is usually cured with 1 maybe 2 spells. Dying to mechanics that instantly kill you can't be mitigated by a healer and nobody blames a healer for that. Everyone blames the healer if a tank dies during a big pull. DPS have the most difficult job during endgame content because they have to try and perform the most complex rotations at the same time as doing mechanics. They also have not been prepared for this since before they just used the healer as a crutch in content all the way to endgame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada View Post
    Even with proper mit and dps playing optimal it is not a matter of just using 1 skill.
    A healer isn't even required at optimal play at level 90. People go 1 tank 3 dps when tome farming for a reason XD.
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    Your trying to wiggle your way out of the argument by changing the premise. I only stated that FOR NEW PLAYERS healer was much harder to play in dungeons than the other roles. You somehow took that and extrapolated that to meaning healer is the hardest role ever. All the evidence supports my conclusion. There are significantly less healers and healers receive the most criticism in dungeons. Healers are by far "expected" to play much closer to optimally even though it is a learning environment than the other 2 roles. This is all because of big pulls. If you downgrade to single pulls then yes healers role is probably the easiest, but that's not realistically how dungeons are run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro View Post
    But is that due to the difficulty of the dungeon, or the players you are playing with? I think you are misunderstanding the two. If you have DPS that are playing optimally and tanks that use proper mits, your job arguably becomes the easiest of the 3. When its the latter, you are scrambling because you are technically the only role that can "save" it with your tools. A dps dies to an aoe? Other than a redmage/summoner, only you can save them XD. Heals, shields, etc. are more needed when enemies live longer and players take more unnecessary damage. With your logic, every form of content is hardest on healer because if the players are the worst things imaginable, more heals, shields, and rezzes are needed which healers can supply.
    Yup. Healing is easy. Until it isnt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada View Post
    I would say most people outside the healer don't notice when the tank doesn't use mitigation properly (also making the healers job more difficult). Healers who dont dps usually get harassed unlike the other roles. If you try and spam heal with the wrong spells (which most inexperienced healer do) then you risk running out of mp and dying anyways. Healer job is more difficult period in dungeons, no contest.
    Doubt anyone is actually harassing the healer for not dpsing. People will speak up if the healer is just afk when the party is full or just spamming heals when its not needed. Also, dungeon difficulty is tentative, as it entirely depends on how well your tank and dps are doing.
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