The difficulty of Normal Content in this game needs to increase.

[Saraide]

It isnt a stretch at all.

Im not allowed to ask if they are using addons, those that have these addons dont talk about it for obvious reasons..but in all truth, from now on....that unspoken question will always be there.

Won't it?

No one is denying that some people use cactbot or whatever. But you just generally accuse every raider of doing that because it's possible with no evidence. Under the same logic it's completely valid to accuse you of using ERP mods, RMT and/or gathering bots. It's possible that you could use them and that's enough, right?

[Deveryn]

Broken record here, but a lot of players complaining about wanting harder normal mode content:

A large chunk of the player base are here because it is being advertised as an easy drop-in/drop-out game that you can socialize with friends online. It's a virtual Disneyland, where you wait in line, go through the dungeon and gawk at the pirates.

A lot of these players are housewives/extremely casual players who would just quit and go back to candy crush if it got hard. They aren't here to be some l33t g4m3r, they are here to hang out with friends and have something to do.

YoshiP has been clear on this several times over- if people want to play harder games, they exist. If you want hard content, that also exists in Savage/Ultimate.

This right here.

Also if you want more people occupying the harder content, maybe try becoming a better teacher.

[Raven2014]

I liked Orbonne but too many times I had a wipe on Cid because someone misplaced the AOE and killed everybody followed by a vote abandon and completely wasted my time.

I feel a common trend with people who complains about something and bring up their suggestion seem to have a very ... naive way of thinking. They believe if the developers do exactly what they want, then thing will definitely turn out exactly how they think it should ... often either ignore or ignorant to the fact that most of the time it doesn't.

Orbonne (or the whole Ivalice tbh) was the perfect example of making harder doesn't make people play better, it just make people stop playing. And it's a snowball effect. I do savage and ultimate and I hate that place with a passion, even when it's in season. And if roullete ever put me in it, I eat the 30min pen without a single hesitation. Also kinda remind me of the "let's lock content behind FC and that will definitely make FC more popular!" thread last month. To the people who had been here before, we were just like "no, lock content behind FC ain't gonna make it more popular, it just sent that content to death door on an express".

[Ardeth]

When you make content "harder" you alienate those who can't keep up. Alienating people makes them not feel welcome. When people feel unwelcome they leave.

It's not rocket science. If you guys want to further gatekeep casuals out that's fine. It's not like we don't have a contemporary example of a game that basically abandoned casual players and died. Oh wait we do it was called Wildstar.

[Saraide]

I love it when people point at the failure or success of any other MMO like it all hinges upon exactly one singular thing and nothing else. Did you know WoW died simply because of its artstyle? That's what I dislike about it so it has to be the sole reason.

[Bukachu]

I remember doing this trial with turtle back in 1978 and we wiped two times.. i think content should be easier if anything. still recovering from dat wipe

[AnotherPerson]

Lots of healers are happy with their healers. The healer debate is something that has been going on for years and the Dev team is well aware of the requests. The bottom line is the devs don't see it their way. Pretty obvious given they just added a new healer and did nothing to meet the more dps centric crowd.

Relative to making normal content harder we are getting trusts to run most of the msq content. I doubt they will make two versions of that content one for trusts and one for those who want things harder. There is room for more midcore content and they did make Criterion available and one has to wait and see how the new versions of that content are and how they might adjust them based on feedback and content participation.

After all is said and done normal content will remain normal content in my view regardless of those who want things to be harder.

Imagine thinking lots of healers are happy when the Duty Finder still gives healers near instant queues instead of thinking "Maybe the current healers that are actively queueing consistently are the only ones enjoying healing".
Yeah, lots of the current healers are happy because the people who played healers quit in droves from disliking the changes to the role. Not because MSQ content is difficult - everyone knows MSQ content is made to be accessible. It's because their class is boring. Healing is utterly boring when I'm only actively engaging as a healer for a small fraction of the time the higher level I go.

You're also right -- the devs clearly do not see it that way, even with multiple threads and continuous feedback. They probably have the same mindset since removing Kaiten for Samurais.

I love to play mainly as a healer, but healer in FFXIV is so mind-numbingly dry that I took a break from FFXIV to play another game. After healing over those games, I definitely did not come back to FFXIV to play healer as actively as I had in the past. Even in a game with a heavy P2W model, I found being a healer in there to be more fun than FFXIV's healer, simply because those games actually understand the difference between "accessibility" and "interactivity". I only came back to chill with friends and do some roulette dailies because I like the rest of the game as a whole. I still play tank and DPS, and I still play for the story. The same can probably be said to a lot of healers who have directly just quit the role and started playing something else.

[Sesera]

Imagine thinking lots of healers are happy when the Duty Finder still gives healers near instant queues instead of thinking "Maybe the current healers that are actively queueing consistently are the only ones enjoying healing".

Yeah its not like healers and tanks have fast queue pop in any games and had already instant queue back when we had cleric stance.

Recently I farmed a lot of GC seal as a healer and most of the time my adventurer in need was for tanks and I had to wait dozen of minutes everytime before getting adventurer in need healer but it must be because people prefered the old "healer" way I guess.

[Kaliesto]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaifhVp7lao

This youtuber (its 18 minutes if you have the time) explains perfectly why MMOs are losing their standing in general, the fun is being sucked away at all varying levels.

The cause? Because Devs think Frustration=Losing Subs in the modern day MMO, and afraid to teach players. Only small MMO dev Teams nowadays are making games with appropriate difficulty, Corporate MMOs are going in the opposite direction with many bad decisions.

I'm not saying FFXIV is heading in this direction, but it teeters on the edge on a couple of fronts. The overworld and dungeon content specifically however in my opinion is compromised, these days its all about giving players the most ease of access, and not teaching players to work together.

[MonteCristo]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaifhVp7lao

This youtuber explains perfectly why MMOs are losing their standing in general, the fun is being sucked away at all varying levels.

The cause? Because Devs think Frustration=Losing Subs in the modern day MMO, and afraid to teach players. Only small MMO dev Teams nowadays are making games with appropriate difficulty, Corporate MMOs are going in the opposite direction with many bad decisions.

I'm not saying FFXIV is heading in this direction, but it teeters on the edge on a couple of fronts. The overworld and dungeon content specifically however in my opinion is compromised.

Sums its up perfectly