The difficulty of Normal Content in this game needs to increase.

[EgilTheStressedMage]

I liked Orbonne but too many times I had a wipe on Cid because someone misplaced the AOE and killed everybody followed by a vote abandon and completely wasted my time.

Jesus Christ...

[Velvet_Lunarfang]

Making the game harder isn't going to magically make people better, it's just going to lose players who don't want to (or cannot) put that effort in. If your goal is to up the "average" then I guess whatever.. but if you're a game company that relies on player retention, then you're probably not going to want to cut player base just to make it so some players don't have slightly slower runs.

Wouldn't that be a blessing lmao. Less laziness and casual and more "let's get to work" attitude

[VelKallor]

Even if we indulge in your vision that everyone who complains about the game being too easy is a dirty cheater in EX/savage, this argument makes no logical sense.

Makes perfect sense. Dont complain normal content needs to be harder when you cant beat harder content like ex or savage without 3rd party addons to play the game for you. If you have to cheat to win, then you dont get to tell others what they do needs to be harder.

When you can win without addons..Ill listen.

There is a well-known gap in intensity between those two types of content, so finding EX/savage too hard has absolutely no relation to normal content being too easy. Both could potentially be true. If people cheated in normal mode, you'd maybe have a point, but instead a lot of people complain about a lack of content between normal and EX. If anything your strawman proves that such content is needed.

Hard mode for scenarios

Criterion \ Criterion Variant

Expert dungeons

Savage

Extreme

Ultimate

MINE ( min ilevel no echo)

Ultimate Weapon Ultimate

POTD / HoH solo / Necromancer title.

You have all the content you need at any difficulty you need.

[IkaraGreydancer]

As much as I'm pro-addon and meters, I've cleared multiple tiers without any at all, while being the one doing the callouts, on an old laptop with an office mouse and found I even parsed well. And yes, Normal mode content, particularly 8 mans and Experts are a complete utter joke. Mechanically they're fine, but they hit like wet noodles and have no dps requirement. So try again.

These posts just come across as pure salt. If you're behind all the raiders, it's not because they're cheating. If we had no addons, we'd actually be completely fine. The source is you. Endgame content is accessible to almost anyone who wants to try it.

I think their point is people can't complain about things being to easy if they use cheats to beat what's difficult

[VelKallor]

I think their point is people can't complain about things being too easy if they use cheats to beat what's difficult

Exactly correct.

[Kazhar]

Makes perfect sense. Dont complain normal content needs to be harder when you cant beat harder content like ex or savage without 3rd party addons to play the game for you. If you have to cheat to win, then you dont get to tell others what they do needs to be harder.

When you can win without addons..Ill listen.

The fact that you're making sweeping generalizations about the entire raiding community doesn't tell me that you're willing to listen to anything.
You also didn't even adress anything I said in my post, which of the content you listed is between MSQ and EX difficulty?

I think their point is people can't complain about things being to easy if they use cheats to beat what's difficult

Which is nonsense because the idea that anyone who complains about difficulty also cheats is a complete strawman they made up in the first place.

[VelKallor]

The fact that you're making sweeping generalizations about the entire raiding community doesn't tell me that you're willing to listen to anything.

Not making any at all, its a simple fact. If you cant win without cheating, you arent as skilled as you claim to be, therefore not in a position to lecture anyone else.

You also didn't even adress anything I said in my post, which of the content you listed is between MSQ and EX difficulty

You have a range to deal with, which isnt the topic here either.

Which is nonsense because the idea that anyone who complains about difficulty also cheats is a complete strawman in the first place.

If they are a better player..why do they have to cheat to win?

[Saraide]

Not making any at all, its a simple fact. If you cant win without cheating, you arent as skilled as you claim to be, therefore not in a position to lecture anyone else.



You have a range to deal with, which isnt the topic here either.



If they are a better player..why do they have to cheat to win?

Funny thing to say when it's all the casuals who use the ERP mods. If you liked RP so much, why cant you do it without mods?

[RitsukoSonoda]

The fact that you're making sweeping generalizations about the entire raiding community doesn't tell me that you're willing to listen to anything.
You also didn't even adress anything I said in my post, which of the content you listed is between MSQ and EX difficulty?



Which is nonsense because the idea that anyone who complains about difficulty also cheats is a complete strawman in the first place.

Personally the bigger issue is a large part of the "lazy casual" players that want the shiny things from the harder content but don't want to learn to play the game competently enough to do said content. That then jump into PF's and such because they want to be carried to free loot making the duty more difficult for the other people in them and creating the horror stories you find online that make other people not want to attempt the harder content thinking it's too hard. I feel like none of the MSQ things that have been nerfed over the years should have ever been nerfed. Honestly one of the goals or purposes of the MSQ should be to help players develop the basic skill set needed to attempt all later content. Something more akin to "We're giving you some wiggle room to learn but you still need to actually DO the thing if you want to continue."

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Funny thing to say when it's all the casuals who use the ERP mods. If you liked RP so much, why cant you do it without mods?

Half the ultimate afkers in Limsa on jenova have a certain moon plug in mentioned in their bios.



So either erpers are buying ultimate clears or the raiders have started erping