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  1. 02-11-2023 10:58 AM

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaticDodo View Post
    Titania filtering people intensifies.
    I remember how an average party couldn't get through Titania. Sometimes they still couldn't get through it even with several stacks of Echo because the tanks don't understand how to tank it and DPS is low even with Echo. The biggest thing that has probably helped since was forcing leveling dungeons to have a minimum item level so that people don't go into the trial with second tier Stormblood gear.

    Remember how everyone used to abandon Steps of Faith? I do, because I waited 40 minutes when I queued into it in Heavensward and everyone abandoned immediately, which was soul crushing enough to make me consider quitting because I couldn't progress. Then I tried one more time and 40 minutes later, they all abandoned again and I had to have a message ready to ask them to stay. By the time I'd sent it only 3 people remained to see it and they admitted they were about to leave too, but would stay and wait for it to refill.

    Then we have the first EW trial, which just like the extreme version, I've seen people flat out unable to do until I put a Dorito on myself.

    This is what actually happens when you gate the MSQ behind hard content.
    (5)
    In other news, there is no technical debt from 1.0.
    "We don't have ... a technological issue that was carried over from 1.0, because ARR was meant to kind of discard what we had from 1.0 and rebuild it from the engine."
    https://youtu.be/ge32wNPaJKk?t=560

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    Want to know why new content will never last more than 20 minutes? Full breakdown:

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    I remember how an average party couldn't get through Titania. Sometimes they still couldn't get through it even with several stacks of Echo because the tanks don't understand how to tank it and DPS is low even with Echo. The biggest thing that has probably helped since was forcing leveling dungeons to have a minimum item level so that people don't go into the trial with second tier Stormblood gear.

    Remember how everyone used to abandon Steps of Faith? I do, because I waited 40 minutes when I queued into it in Heavensward and everyone abandoned immediately, which was soul crushing enough to make me consider quitting because I couldn't progress. Then I tried one more time and 40 minutes later, they all abandoned again and I had to have a message ready to ask them to stay. By the time I'd sent it only 3 people remained to see it and they admitted they were about to leave too, but would stay and wait for it to refill.

    Then we have the first EW trial, which just like the extreme version, I've seen people flat out unable to do until I put a Dorito on myself.

    This is what actually happens when you gate the MSQ behind hard content.
    I think the idea here is that, if you make the regular content on average a little more difficult, players will be on average a little more competent so you don't run into hard blocks like this the moment something even slightly difficult blocks your way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    I think the idea here is that, if you make the regular content on average a little more difficult, players will be on average a little more competent so you don't run into hard blocks like this the moment something even slightly difficult blocks your way.
    Pretty much. This is why we had so many people get stuck in the "In from the Cold" instance. If more instance fights had you actually using your brain to think before acting more players would be less likely to get stuck behind said content.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    I think the idea here is that, if you make the regular content on average a little more difficult, players will be on average a little more competent so you don't run into hard blocks like this the moment something even slightly difficult blocks your way.
    Once again, since it appears some of you still don't get it, for some people such as myself, we are PHYSICALLY unable to get any better. I know my rotations and the mechanics of many fights. I just am not physically capable of handling MSQs being made harder than they already are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eraden View Post
    Once again, since it appears some of you still don't get it, for some people such as myself, we are PHYSICALLY unable to get any better. I know my rotations and the mechanics of many fights. I just am not physically capable of handling MSQs being made harder than they already are.
    This just contradicts itself?

    You cannot get any better.. but you already got better by learning a rotation and mechanics..
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    Quote Originally Posted by DixieBellOCE View Post
    This just contradicts itself?

    You cannot get any better.. but you already got better by learning a rotation and mechanics..
    Seriously? Are you THAT dense? I have "Rested Tremor Syndrome", similar to "Parkinson's Disease". No amount of knowing rotations or mechanics is going to help if one cannot stop shaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eraden View Post
    Once again, since it appears some of you still don't get it, for some people such as myself, we are PHYSICALLY unable to get any better. I know my rotations and the mechanics of many fights. I just am not physically capable of handling MSQs being made harder than they already are.
    MSQ can stay casual. A difficulty meter, like what we have for Instance fights would be nice, so players who do want a more challenge can have it in their content experience.

    Also, Rolder50 is saying making the content a little harder, not outright saying it should be extreme levels of hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Soge01 View Post
    MSQ can stay casual. A difficulty meter, like what we have for Instance fights would be nice, so players who do want a more challenge can have it in their content experience.

    Also, Rolder50 is saying making the content a little harder, not outright saying it should be extreme levels of hard.
    I am at the very limits of being able to complete solo MSQ duties. Any harder and I could no longer play.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeeqbit View Post
    I remember how an average party couldn't get through Titania.
    Some things never change. I dread seeing Titania in trial roulette, because I know there's about a 50% chance it's just going to be a wipefest. It has been almost four years, and people still can't do the bloody fight.
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