The difficulty of Normal Content in this game needs to increase.

[Connor]

That was about having multiple concurrent threads, like how currently the discussion about Chaotic is split over some five threads replicating roughly the same discussion and the same arguments for and against, not split over multiple expansions when people in the early pages are not even talking about the same game as in the later pages.

Like I said, there are times when you want one megathread, and there are times when you shouldn't just pad the old with the new.

True, I just mean that I think the stuff that’s going on now is at least tenuously linked enough to the original threads’ point that I’d say it gets a ‘pass’ lol.

Yeah, from how I phrased it earlier you can read between the lines that I'm not exactly finding DT's normal modes challenging either, so if the devs say they made it harder I'll read that as it has probably been by some smaller percentage that is only noticed by people who were closer to marginal before. Players as ahead of the curve as you or me are still going to find it easy, but if it were raised to a level where it's a challenge for us to clear, there'd be SO many people unable to progress story mode.

Didn’t they say something like this before too? I think it was something along the lines of ‘we aren’t intentionally lowering difficulty it’s just that players have become so accustomed to encounters that it’s extremely difficult to challenge them but still keep it fair for less experienced players’. Which I do think is a fair point. How are they meant to simultaneously satisfy both long-term ‘veteran’ players and ones who have only just begun (relatively lol)? There’s no easy answer sadly; not that I know of anyway.

I also wonder if they expect that most players who become veterans will naturally move down the ‘raider’ path so there’s a constant / consistent increase in difficulty. And I don’t mean that as like a criticism; it’s a fairly logical expectation lol. Hence why things like expert roulette remain (mostly) static in difficulty

[NamiRocket]

On its own that is a fair point, but since the game already did something to raise difficulty going from EW to DT (mostly speeding things up and arena spam, but okay), that kind of renders the first 37 pages of this thread irrelevant because they're discussing fixes to a balance from a state in which it already no longer exists.

There are times it just isn't useful to just pad the new onto the old.

Imagine buying a current-year model Mercedes and your car manual starts with the instructions on engine maintenance and cranking to start the T-Ford, and goes through every model and make of consumer car ever built before it starts in the last few pages to provide information that is actually relevant to the present and the thing you actually have?

They don't get it or care to. They're just looking to argue and complain. I'd just let them, to be honest.

[Severos]

Mentor Roulette calls this post a liar. In fact, here is my hot take... Doing Mentor Roulette getting an Ex Trial with only Sprouts is the hardest content in the game.

[NamiRocket]

Mentor Roulette calls this post a liar. In fact, here is my hot take... Doing Mentor Roulette getting an Ex Trial with only Sprouts is the hardest content in the game.

It's what you signed up for when you put on the crown.

[Gurgeh]

I also wonder if they expect that most players who become veterans will naturally move down the ‘raider’ path so there’s a constant / consistent increase in difficulty. And I don’t mean that as like a criticism; it’s a fairly logical expectation lol. Hence why things like expert roulette remain (mostly) static in difficulty

Picture this you've been a sprout enjoying all the game has to offer, you've taken well over a year to catch-up and now your at end game waiting for the start of your first 'new expansion'
And they give you four weeks to go from MSQ to normals to role quests to extremes to getting all your crafters levelled to make gear, to savage.
Four weeks.
And they expect you to naturally move down the raider path from casual. Well they aren't doing squat to encourage it so they are mad if they are assuming that.

[BigCheez]

Picture this you've been a sprout enjoying all the game has to offer, you've taken well over a year to catch-up and now your at end game waiting for the start of your first 'new expansion'
And they give you four weeks to go from MSQ to normals to role quests to extremes to getting all your crafters levelled to make gear, to savage.
Four weeks.
And they expect you to naturally move down the raider path from casual. Well they aren't doing squat to encourage it so they are mad if they are assuming that.

This is oddly specific.

Why are we working under the assumption that someone has arrived at endgame precisely at the start of a new expansion and is expecting to start the first savage tier of that expansion as soon as it launches?

Why do they need to make their own gear?

A new player who just finished the MSQ has a huge amount of old content to work through while they start prepping for high-end content, assuming that's their goal. What's the rush? I think most people are more likely to take their time and at least try some current extreme trials and whatnot while working through some of the backlog of old content that they have to catch up on before jumping straight into savage.

[Gurgeh]

This is oddly specific.

Why are we working under the assumption that someone has arrived at endgame precisely at the start of a new expansion and is expecting to start the first savage tier of that expansion as soon as it launches?

Why do they need to make their own gear?

A new player who just finished the MSQ has a huge amount of old content to work through while they start prepping for high-end content, assuming that's their goal. What's the rush? I think most people are more likely to take their time and at least try some current extreme trials and whatnot while working through some of the backlog of old content that they have to catch up on before jumping straight into savage.

People need to not use the word 'need' in games. Games are fun. Games are entertainment. Need had nothing to do with it.

And the reason is... you are about to be telling casual gamers for the first time since they don't have other expansions to get through, that that is all they are getting... For fing ages.
My god the number of times some not-so-smart arse , has said 'weelll... You should just to extremes, or savage, or ultimate' ... Yet savage is already massively underway and the early, warmup savages are already done with in your communities.

It's also just what makes sense.
You progress
You prepare
You enjoy all the game has including crafting. Crafting your own gear.
easy > harder > even harder > massocist
Most people don't drop out of their mother's genetalia, and decide to start with a sprint. It's just not the natural order of the universe.

Because fun
Not because need.

[Severos]

I am not complaining. Just pointing out the assumption made in the original post is just completely wrong. Sprouts have access to harder content early in the game.

[Nero-Voidstails]

I am not complaining. Just pointing out the assumption made in the original post is just completely wrong. Sprouts have access to harder content early in the game.

the problem is everyone unsync giving them a easy time and often get carried in. That's why the player base struggles in slightly harder stuff.

if they do them sync I can tell you the quality of player would get better and wouldn't need to make this game this easy.


but there is a other thing too.

All job are simple now like other then 2 solo buff and one raid buff you have no complexity in them compared to before nothing to make your job hard. making the skill needed to play those almost none other then evoide AOE.

One of the thing I think chaotic does right is the doom mech forcing healer to use esuna and I think more fight should have more utility mech over one shot mech.


this would probably hurt the game sadly as to where we stand now tho

[Mawlzy]

the problem is everyone unsync giving them a easy time and often get carried in. That's why the player base struggles in slightly harder stuff.

if they do them sync I can tell you the quality of player would get better and wouldn't need to make this game this easy.

Yes, but only because the total number of players would get smaller. For example, if you just drive out everyone who can't clear savage, you'll have an exceptionally skilled pool of players.