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    Player AwesomeJr44's Avatar
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    Marel Nobelle
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    Midgardsormr
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adeacia View Post
    Sounds like people didn't want difficulty then, they just wanted the rewards. Which is pretty typical I've found. People want to brag about doing stuff. They don't care about the actual stuff. Just look at the recent issues about the new ultimate raid.
    People want a mix of both. If the rewards are terrible there is no incentive to do it more than once. Fights in this game are very static, so once you've done it once you've experienced everything there is to experience from that fight. If there's no reward incentive, there's no reason to do it a hundred more times as it's just the same content you already did. Why would someone do the same exact criterion dungeon more than a single time for the same exact experience? Even roulette dungeons have incentives in their tome rewards. If there wasn't a tomestone reward, no one would do daily duty roulettes either as they've already done those a hundred thousand times. People did the content, and it died once its main audience cleared it for the first time.

    Quote Originally Posted by TomsYoungerBro View Post
    If there aren't any rewards for someone to come back, however, it will more than likely be a one and done or a very rare occurrence of a re-clear.
    This exactly. There's a reason why Criterion died in a week while Savage is still being cleared in PF. (Whether it should take as long as it does to get things from Savage is a different argument but the point stands regardless)
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    ForteNightshade's Avatar
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    Kurenai Tenshi
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    Quote Originally Posted by Adeacia View Post
    Sounds like people didn't want difficulty then, they just wanted the rewards. Which is pretty typical I've found. People want to brag about doing stuff. They don't care about the actual stuff. Just look at the recent issues about the new ultimate raid.
    This is such a lazy argument. Difficulty alone can only carry content for so long. Once those players have cleared. What incentive to they have to go back? There's literally nothing for them because they've already overcome the challenge.

    If we applied this same logic to casual content, you'd see the exact same result. In fact, let's like Euphrosyne. Except instead of glamour and weekly upgrades it rewarded nothing but materia. How long is that raid alive for? I can all but guarantee it'd be dead content within the first month. How do we know? Look at all the older 24 mans that aren't Crystal Tower. You hardly see them despite the glamour, minions and etc. If it weren't for Alliance Roulette, they'd be completely dead. Once upon a time, ARR raids were dead. As in it took hours to get LotA or WoD to pop. That's why it became apart of the Heavensward relic step and the introduced the Alliance Roulette. It's almost like nobody does content regularly without some sort of incentive.
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    Cassius Rex
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    Quote Originally Posted by ForteNightshade View Post
    This is such a lazy argument. Difficulty alone can only carry content for so long. Once those players have cleared. What incentive to they have to go back? There's literally nothing for them because they've already overcome the challenge.

    If we applied this same logic to casual content, you'd see the exact same result. In fact, let's like Euphrosyne. Except instead of glamour and weekly upgrades it rewarded nothing but materia. How long is that raid alive for? I can all but guarantee it'd be dead content within the first month. How do we know? Look at all the older 24 mans that aren't Crystal Tower. You hardly see them despite the glamour, minions and etc. If it weren't for Alliance Roulette, they'd be completely dead. Once upon a time, ARR raids were dead. As in it took hours to get LotA or WoD to pop. That's why it became apart of the Heavensward relic step and the introduced the Alliance Roulette. It's almost like nobody does content regularly without some sort of incentive.
    Or just take a look at Criterion/Criterion Savage. That content died almost the day it came out because of the lack of rewards.
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    Ayer Austen
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    Honestly, I'd have to agree with the OP. The difficulty on general content in the game is too easy. Half way to the of an Ex trail would be a good spot of difficulty.
    The meta of running a dungeon pulling all available mobs and easily AoEing them down is rather boring. Having to CC mobs and actually use damage mitigation and support skills should be baseline gameplay requirements.
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    Cordelia Emery
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ayer2015 View Post
    Honestly, I'd have to agree with the OP. The difficulty on general content in the game is too easy. Half way to the of an Ex trail would be a good spot of difficulty.
    The meta of running a dungeon pulling all available mobs and easily AoEing them down is rather boring. Having to CC mobs and actually use damage mitigation and support skills should be baseline gameplay requirements.
    You're such a lier, are you telling me you DONT use your damage mitigations for mobs? Wow, looks like we found the terrible tank here guys.

    CC I can agree, we only really have Holy for White Mage and even then its not that interesting. But I also dont know how you can do crowd control interesting in a game like this anyway so whatever.
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    Alarasong Elaha
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    Easy fix: Limit combat resurrections. Give them a considerable cooldown so you can't just zombie your way through fights. There now people are actually punished for dying even if the content doesn't have an enrage.
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    Gemina Lunarian
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    Siren
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    Scholar Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    Easy fix: Limit combat resurrections. Give them a considerable cooldown so you can't just zombie your way through fights. There now people are actually punished for dying even if the content doesn't have an enrage.
    What does that fix? You do realize that players that are KO'd when the fight is cleared still get the clear, right? They can even still roll for loot. All this says is that the healer(s) are too bitter to break off their ST spam to do their job.

    If a player is dying multiple times in NM, there is usually more to the story than just a trollol.
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    Player Kolaina's Avatar
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    Hazy Dreams
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    Balmung
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rolder50 View Post
    Easy fix: Limit combat resurrections. Give them a considerable cooldown so you can't just zombie your way through fights. There now people are actually punished for dying even if the content doesn't have an enrage.
    And too the rest of the party are now punished by having to pick up the slack being down a member. Would only serve to make the party detest that downed player which due to the absurd restrictions in the ToS; not allowed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    And too the rest of the party are now punished by having to pick up the slack being down a member. Would only serve to make the party detest that downed player which due to the absurd restrictions in the ToS; not allowed.
    I don't know about the rest of ya, but I already get a similar feeling when I see people stacking Brink of Death.
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    Vel Kallor
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    Kujata
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    Red Mage Lv 100
    Quote Originally Posted by Kolaina View Post
    And too the rest of the party are now punished by having to pick up the slack being down a member. Would only serve to make the party detest that downed player which due to the absurd restrictions in the ToS; not allowed.
    Which leads to thr WoW style of screams, fingerpointing, abuse, obscenities, blame game....yeah no thanks.

    Its funny that i see that these claims of players not being "competent"..I play in a JP server and those people are competent as hell, capable, skilled..ever stop to think that maybe its your server?
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