I am so, so tired...

[LordSunny]

Why would SE, a for profit company, shaft the whales who are willing to pay for multiple subscriptions?

This seems to ignore the fact that SE has historically made decisions that are often related to fairness, regardless of profitability (e.g. their gifting on mounts and ceasing distribution of codes is a good example).

Royalties aren't exactly everything to hosting game, and SE has proven time and time again that they have been attempting to patchwork solutions that benefit user experiences.
The lotto and consequent housing rules are yet another example.
Basic business dictates consumer satisfaction is what continues to have a thriving product, not whales.

And with 198 pages to the housing forums of people complaining of various (if not entirely the same) housing woes [wards being taken by one individual, lack of housing, etc.] it's not difficult to say that at some point, it could very well get addressed just like many other woes before it.

[LordSunny]

Problem is that those complaints are coming from people of over populated worlds and which are naive enough to think that throwing more servers for housing on those worlds would be the solution.

I'm failing to understand your point with this.

Are we all not playing the same game?

Just because the "biggest" complaint comes from a distasteful world/server doesn't make it any less of a community issue. Maybe the cries aren't as loud on Maduin, sure, but there 198 pages here on the forums that testify differently.

Should we instead be labelling it "Housing problems for everyone - except you, Balmung" ?


I've posted here only a handful of times, each about the lack of community that exists in this game and the forums really do prove that to be true. What a joke.

[Sindele]

The problem is that it's not a clean or easy problem to solve - it's easy to prove two accounts are related, but shockingly difficult to prove that two accounts are absolutely, positively the same person. Any simple method of targeting you choose is likely to come up with false positives or serious misses. More intrusive monitoring methods can get you way, way closer to accurate, but a) you'll still have trouble with some families and b) you start to risk running afoul of certain privacy laws. There's a reason they shy away from these things when it comes to the tools arguments, and it's no different here.

[Stormpeaks]

But if 1 plot per unique customer is ever implemented then they would be doing something against the rules
are you're implying people who own multiple houses are malicious by nature?
you said it not me
Now that I know about SE management account I'll update the feedback to include that, thanks for the heads up

I would love to know where I said that people who own multiple houses are malicious ? How is buying a new account malicious ? Dont try and twist my words to fit your weird narrative.

This seems to ignore the fact that SE has historically made decisions that are often related to fairness, regardless of profitability (e.g. their gifting on mounts and ceasing distribution of codes is a good example).

Royalties aren't exactly everything to hosting game, and SE has proven time and time again that they have been attempting to patchwork solutions that benefit user experiences.
The lotto and consequent housing rules are yet another example.
Basic business dictates consumer satisfaction is what continues to have a thriving product, not whales.

And with 198 pages to the housing forums of people complaining of various (if not entirely the same) housing woes [wards being taken by one individual, lack of housing, etc.] it's not difficult to say that at some point, it could very well get addressed just like many other woes before it.

The lack of housing is due to people staying on overpopulated worlds, I play on NA as well, and housing is a nightmare there, but you know what ? If I want a house, I can take the free move to Dynamis and get one in a single round, I just dont care enough to, and that's my choice, but I dont complain about it.

If you REALLY want a house,you can get one.

The issue is self inflicted.

[LordSunny]

The lack of housing is due to people staying on overpopulated worlds, I play on NA as well, and housing is a nightmare there, but you know what ? If I want a house, I can take the free move to Dynamis and get one in a single round, I just dont care enough to, and that's my choice, but I dont complain about it.

If you REALLY want a house,you can get one.

Sure, and that's exactly what I did.

Kudos to you for not complaining about a choice you made regarding housing, but that still doesn't invalidate or negate the complaints of others. Just because you choose not to speak up doesn't mean they should lead by your example.

These forums exist for the ability of everyone to have a voice, not just the same handful of people to stomp on the opinions of others once they disagree.

[Sindele]

Everyone should have a voice - but no voice is entitled to go wholly unexamined, either, especially when we're talking about proposed changes that directly and materially affect an existing population. You can certainly fault many people around here for their open hostility and unwillingness to compromise, but tone alone doesn't and shouldn't justify or invalidate the underlying points.

[Jojoya]

So then what is the point of it? You have an empty ward with no one else in it, and the whole point of the ward system is obsolete.
May as well just have unique new instanced plots.

Most of us with houses are already in wards with no one else in them. It's unreasonable to think that the 30 house owners in a ward/subdivision are all going to be online at the same time and standing around in the ward.

Now take what's currently just 30 house owners and turn it into 450 house owners, with 15 housing instances per plot. There's a far greater chance of running into other players in the common area of the ward and stopping to chat. "Oh hi! Come by and see what I've done to my house!" Both players go into one's instanced house and then they go to the other player's house. On the way to the other player's house, they run into a third player who joins them.

The ward system doesn't work now because there are too few players per ward and most of them are actively engaged in playing the rest of the game, which does not take place in the housing wards. You're more likely to feel like you're in an actual neighborhood if there are more players actively coming and going through it.

But yes, if it came down to a choice between ward housing (even with the instanced plot enhancement) and having unique instanced plots, I'd rather have the latter so I had more choices of where my house is located and could more easily relocate if I got tired of my current location. I wouldn't have to worry about how my neighbors are decorating and whether it will clash with my own. And hopefully the limitations we're currently bound by would be lifted. Even if my overall item count didn't increase with an instanced plot, I would love to have the entire 330 items I get with my current medium to be free of indoor/outdoor restrictions so I could have 150 outdoor and 180 indoor if I wanted.

This seems to ignore the fact that SE has historically made decisions that are often related to fairness, regardless of profitability (e.g. their gifting on mounts and ceasing distribution of codes is a good example).

Yet they've also made decisions that are related to profits, such as putting seasonal event items on the Mogstation when they could easily make those items available each time the event rolls around in following years by allowing players to farm event currency to purchase them.

As for your example about the changes to gifting on the cash shop, that's got nothing to do with fairness and everything to do with profitability. The scamming was costing them a crazy amount of money in chargeback fees and jeopardized their ability to engage in credit card transactions. That was an extremely bad example to use if you wanted to talk about fairness.

Just because the "biggest" complaint comes from a distasteful world/server doesn't make it any less of a community issue. Maybe the cries aren't as loud on Maduin, sure, but there 198 pages here on the forums that testify differently.

You're right that it's a community issue. How ironic that SE presents a solution to their community (transferring to the worlds that have available plots) but the affected community whines that they won't do it.

Sure, and that's exactly what I did.

Kudos to you for not complaining about a choice you made regarding housing, but that still doesn't invalidate or negate the complaints of others. Just because you choose not to speak up doesn't mean they should lead by your example.

These forums exist for the ability of everyone to have a voice, not just the same handful of people to stomp on the opinions of others once they disagree.

Yes, the forums exist so everyone can have a voice.

Yet where are they? It's generally the same players on all sides of the arguments and they're all stomping on each other. The majority of players remain silent.

What is SE to think if the majority do not speak up?

[ElysiumDragon]

...of this perpetual, 10-day cycle of disappointment. Every 10 days I lose. Every 10 days I set the game down for 24-48 hours because I just don't have any drive or desire to play it. Every 10 days I'm told "just move to another server," or "just keep trying, you'll get it," or someone inevitably gets on the forums to tell the people who are upset that they lose over and over and over and over and over that they're somehow wrong for being upset by it.

I'm just tired of this game making me want to quit playing it every 10 days strictly, and for no other reason than, because I am just unlucky.

I hope they change it. I don't know how many more 10-day cycles I can make it through.

You're on Mateus, the second-busiest server in the game. In all seriousness, what did you expect? There isn't a housing crisis, there's a "half Crystal's population is on either Balmung or Mateus" crisis. Moving servers would unironically increase your chances substantially.

[Rinoa_353]

You're on Mateus, the second-busiest server in the game. In all seriousness, what did you expect? There isn't a housing crisis, there's a "half Crystal's population is on either Balmung or Mateus" crisis. Moving servers would unironically increase your chances substantially.

They won't listen because reasons.....

[Jojoya]

You're on Mateus, the second-busiest server in the game. In all seriousness, what did you expect? There isn't a housing crisis, there's a "half Crystal's population is on either Balmung or Mateus" crisis. Moving servers would unironically increase your chances substantially.

Moving between servers on Crystal would accomplish nothing. The variance in population between Crystal worlds is pretty small. According to the most recent Lucky Bancho census, Balmung was highest with 13.7%, followed by Mateus at 13.5% for a total of 27.2% between the 2 worlds. Lowest population for Crystal was on Coeurl at 11.9%. The population on Crystal is fairly well spread out across all the Crystal worlds worlds.

It would be true that someone moving from one of the other NA data centers to a Dynamis world other than Seraph would have their chances substantially improved. But NA in general has been overcrowded for a good 4 years now. Even our lowest population world from among the original 3 data centers still has a higher population than EU's most populated world. The new data center with the 4 new worlds yet to be added will help but it only eases the ongoing problem, it doesn't fix it.