4.35 vs 6.35

[Midareyukki]

People hated Bozja, called it boring, uninspired, brown.

Not everyone did. Quite a lot of people consider it an improvement over Eureka and praised the additions and concepts it had. It just required better future-proofing and incentives, and though it added stuff it didn't stray too far from the usual mold we had seen before.

The brown is to be expected: it's a warzone in the middle of a Ground Zero. Do you expect warzones to be your average everyday Thavnairian rainbow?

People disliked a lot of things about a lot of content, it doesn't mean it was universally hated. Bozja had at least far better reception on release than Eureka Anemos did. And only one thing Bozja as a whole had was about as reviled as Pagos was, and that was the decision to make CLL mandatory for the relic progression.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Not everyone did. Quite a lot of people consider it an improvement over Eureka and praised the additions and concepts it had. It just required better future-proofing and incentives, and though it added stuff it didn't stray too far from the usual mold we had seen before.

The brown is to be expected: it's a warzone in the middle of a Ground Zero. Do you expect warzones to be your average everyday Thavnairian rainbow?

People disliked a lot of things about a lot of content, it doesn't mean it was universally hated. Bozja had at least far better reception on release than Eureka Anemos did. And only one thing Bozja as a whole had was about as reviled as Pagos was, and that was the decision to make CLL mandatory for the relic progression.

Oh I'm aware, it's more the fact that people forget how much negative things are said about content here. Later they only remember the good, not the bad.



I didn't hate bozja, I thought it was fine. I didn't hate eureka either.

[Midareyukki]

Oh I'm aware, it's more the fact that people forget how much negative things are said about content here. Later they only remember the good, not the bad.

I didn't hate bozja, I thought it was fine. I didn't hate eureka either.

I hated aspects of Bozja, but Eureka was only fun at the beginning. Once I realized Pagos and Pyros were more of the same I quit and only cleared during Shadowbringers.

But o: Even though there definitely WERE aspects that were grossly criticised about Bozja and people who just overall didn't (and likely still don't), the amount of vitriol aimed at it wasn't as bad as there was for Eureka. Heck, when Bozja came out, threads and people complaining about it were often called out for being unfair and for not learning from Eureka. Whereas Eureka had people agree more readily with that hate.

Plenty of stuff was bad about Bozja, both at launch and later iterations. CLL was the worst, sure, but there were people already complaining about future-proofing, it being a glorified FATE hunting area, Duels being sniped, some CEs being unfair, stuff not loading right, Lost Actions being grossly unintuitive (which I never understood bc the game explains them to you early on and demands you check a box saying "I get this"), Delubrum Reginae being a locked out 24-man, people being kicked from groups for not having an optimal setup... and yes, even BROWN. But it's FF12 mixed with FFType-0, it's literally "Brown: the Game" mixed with "Anime Warzone Depression Train", the lack of colour is to be expected.

But all these things ended up being minor, as the enjoyment overall seemed to match the more favourable reviews. It took a lot for Eureka to start being favourable, and by that point the devs were still getting bombarded with "it's bad, change the design". To the point Hydatos is literally just a slab with no corridors :|

[Deveryn]

All this talk of brown makes me wonder what atrocities were committed with tools in order to make Bozja "look better".

[Seraphor]

I didn't rate Eureka, and I still haven't finished it after years.
Bozja on the other hand was pretty cool, it fixed most of the issues Eureka had.
They could have taken it further this expansion, but we got Island Sanctuary instead. It's not a like for like trade, so it's not easy to judge, but I'd probably have preferred another relic zone.

Would have been nice if Criterion Dungeons made up for it in some way though. Most complaints are about the reward system, so maybe it should have awarded Relic Armour.

Still, that's not a foregone conclusion. We should be getting three Variant/Criterions right? There's the possibility of using the currencies form all three Dungeons to purchase Relic Armour maybe?
An upgrade system like Bozja would have been cool, but would require three full armour sets. This way they could go all in on job-specific gear maybe.

[MintnHoney]

All this talk of brown makes me wonder what atrocities were committed with tools in order to make Bozja "look better".

What, from the Dev team? Or are you asking about mods?
Because a quick looksie-doodle on the internet would reveal that there aren't any environment-altering mods (at least none that can be found easily, I'm not deep-diving for this), and the Devs are still working on planting that grass everywhere (so stay tuned as this never develops for Bozja).

[SenzorialBoundries]

What i hate teh most is that all the grindy stuff that would kill time perfectly comes so late, its almost poinltess... like im on 15/18 ilv 625 weapons... why i again should i bother the most likely 625 relic, even if it has max stats, if its just for literally 3-4 weeks at most...

Best the relic weapon will eventually become BiS and also BiS for ultimate.

[Kuroka]

Best the relic weapon will eventually become BiS and also BiS for ultimate.

Yes but idc for Ultimate, everything else syncs down anyways... eventually means at 6.5.555555555 or whenever they decide that savage can be overpowered...

[Deveryn]

What, from the Dev team? Or are you asking about mods?
Because a quick looksie-doodle on the internet would reveal that there aren't any environment-altering mods (at least none that can be found easily, I'm not deep-diving for this), and the Devs are still working on planting that grass everywhere (so stay tuned as this never develops for Bozja).

Yes, mods like gshade. I was thinking of people's mindset with fighting off the blandness and how awful bozja must actually look with some of those presets running. It's just an idle curiosity. I don't need to know.

Yes but idc for Ultimate, everything else syncs down anyways... eventually means at 6.5.555555555 or whenever they decide that savage can be overpowered...

Everything syncs down, but there's no materia slot to render useless. The final relic is also great for the next cap raise.