Is Square losing Money due to 3rd party tool usage?

[LianaThorne]

Sounds convenient but there's nothing to prevent a client-side mod from displaying information that is hidden on the client otherwise. If the company can't even prevent this stuff despite it being against the ToS, why should I trust their security countermeasures at all? The game has a huge problem and it seems like square enix just threw their hands up in the air. Don't ask don't tell, don't play.

@Poporito I sound "paranoid" because I don't feel comfortable playing a video game that has no security measures and an extremely active toxic mod community. Interesting. There are better things to do with my life than risk security on a video game. You people mod fantasia instead of buying it, you mod cosmetics instead of buying them. You have interest in these things, but no interest in paying for them. This is tons of lost money. If not for mods, you would have to pay for your interests, like everyone else who doesn't break the rules.

I think that they should delete anyone's account who has used fantasia mods. You stole from square enix.

PSA: Plugins and mods aren't the same thing. If you're going to call a community toxic, at least insult the correct one. The toxicity stems from the plugin community, the modding side minds their own business unless someone does something dumb like plaster it on a billboard.

Side note, modders do pay for fantasia and in game cosmetics. There's isn't a plugin available that permanently changes the appearance of your character (it changes on teleport/instance swap) and you still need the base items to even have certain mods display at all. You should probably know what you're talking about if you plan to go on a crusade against them. The modding (and by association the roleplay) community carries the fantasia sales on their backs.

[Zebraoracle]

PSA: Plugins and mods aren't the same thing. If you're going to call a community toxic, at least insult the correct one. The toxicity stems from the plugin community, the modding side minds their own business unless someone does something dumb like plaster it on a billboard.

Side note, modders do pay for fantasia and in game cosmetics. There's isn't a plugin available that permanently changes the appearance of your character (it changes on teleport/instance swap) and you still need the base items to even have certain mods display at all. You should probably know what you're talking about if you plan to go on a crusade against them. The modding (and by association the roleplay) community carries the fantasia sales on their backs.

Liana you're wasting your time with him. He's so stuck in his delusions, assumptions, and ignorance that he's resorted to strawman arguments, ad hominem attacks, and outright open hostility in the other dumpster fire thread.

[HikariKurosawa]

Liana you're wasting your time with him. He's so stuck in his delusions, assumptions, and ignorance that he's resorted to strawman arguments, ad hominem attacks, and outright open hostility in the other dumpster fire thread.

How is it a delusion if it is happening? People can mod their appearance to be whatever they want clientside. If they don't care about what other people think, then it doesn't matter to them. Why would they ever buy a fantasia when they can just mod their appearance however they want?

[Zebraoracle]

How is it a delusion if it is happening? People can mod their appearance to be whatever they want clientside. If they don't care about what other people think, then it doesn't matter to them. Why would they ever buy a fantasia when they can just mod their appearance however they want?

#citationneeded

[Absimiliard]

How is it a delusion if it is happening? People can mod their appearance to be whatever they want clientside. If they don't care about what other people think, then it doesn't matter to them. Why would they ever buy a fantasia when they can just mod their appearance however they want?

You greatly underestimate the power of vanity. I'm sure there are a handful of people out there that only care what they themselves see, but the vast majority absolutely want to make sure to rub their 293020253rd set of thot glam and character trait choices in people's faces as they prance around the Limsa aetheryte plaza.

[Midareyukki]

Hmm...

A few thoughts:
1.) Third-party tools and mods used by players cannot receive any kind of data from other players, save what the client makes available naturally. You are at no point at risk of any sort of compromise in this regard. Even ACT can't pull the kind of data you seem to be thinking of.
2.) The hell is a Fantasia mod? You can't force the game to give you items. There are third-party tools for temporarily adjusting your character's appearance, but that's entirely client-side - no one else is able to see it.

PSA: Plugins and mods aren't the same thing. If you're going to call a community toxic, at least insult the correct one. The toxicity stems from the plugin community, the modding side minds their own business unless someone does something dumb like plaster it on a billboard.

He just said "People can mod their appearance to be whatever they want clientside." so he likely knows there's no server interference going around. So why are you guys saying this? Clearly he knows.

You greatly underestimate the power of vanity. I'm sure there are a handful of people out there that only care what they themselves see, but the vast majority absolutely want to make sure to rub their 293020253rd set of thot glam and character trait choices in people's faces as they prance around the Limsa aetheryte plaza.

The answer's blessedly simpler, Absimiliard: Fantasia Addicts.

[Absimiliard]

The answer's blessedly simpler, Absimiliard: Fantasia Addicts.

...You right. There are enough of those around to keep the game alive until entropy takes the universe.

[Thaciscokidd]

The toxicity stems from the plugin community, the modding side minds their own business unless someone does something dumb like plaster it on a billboard..

Tangent but not entirely true. People tend to forget that little ERP mod harassment situation that Yoshi P had to come out against a couple of years ago AND a portion of the modding community is responsible for the datamining that exists (which is how we know about that godly new set that in coming out in the Moonfire faire 2023)

[LianaThorne]

Tangent but not entirely true. People tend to forget that little ERP mod harassment situation that Yoshi P had to come out against a couple of years ago AND a portion of the modding community is responsible for the datamining that exists (which is how we know about that godly new set that in coming out in the Moonfire faire 2023)

I mean, I have no idea what situation that was so can't comment on it. The ERP mod side is still going strong though.

I also don't really have an issue with dataminers outside of people using it for profit reasons, like said billboard situation. I'm not one to get stressed out over spoilers.