Building a Better Gaming Community: The Advantages of a Console-Only Final Fantasy XI

[Coatl]

In conclusion this thread made me wanna drop a load.

[DragonFlyy]

Dividing the community over a few people that want to be vocal about cheaters is not an answer. The vast majority of players don't give a damn about people using mods.

[solimiano]

You are ridiculous, saying that players on console cannot see their damage output is supporting cheating? So youre one of those ppl who thinks that a parser is a cheat . That already tells me all I need to know. Show me where the bad dps meter touched you.

am and have always been pro parser, there should be one in the game. Was pro parser when I was on console and will remain that way.

"If something is against TOS its a cheat!!!" LMAO so all of you bibo body amnesis users are cheaters too then? Show me exactly how you cheat with that miqote eyebrow upscale

I think your understanding of English is worse than mine, I'm not against parsers, as long as the parser is part of the game and implemented by square.
I'm against all third party addons because they break the tos that we all accepted before starting to play.
Don't care about excuses or whatever because you need xyz improvement to the game so you can play it.
As long as you are using something that is not produced by square you are breaking the TOS, and should be banned.

[Mosha]

I'm against all third party addons because they break the tos that we all accepted before starting to play.
Don't care about excuses or whatever because you need xyz improvement to the game so you can play it.
As long as you are using something that is not produced by square you are breaking the TOS, and should be banned.

Is it me or do these kinds of arguments scream I lack critical thinking?
3rd Party tools = Bad because SE said so. Even though there is a lot more nuance to the conversation hence the thousands of forum posts.

[Saraide]

Is it me or do these kinds of arguments scream I lack critical thinking?
3rd Party tools = Bad because SE said so. Even though there is a lot more nuance to the conversation hence the thousands of forum posts.

The weird thing is yoship didnt even call them bad outright and some of the actions taken this expansions continue to prove that the dev team overall doesnt consider them straight evil. He even flat out said he doesnt want report witch hunts.

[DezereDawn]

Is it me or do these kinds of arguments scream I lack critical thinking?
3rd Party tools = Bad because SE said so. Even though there is a lot more nuance to the conversation hence the thousands of forum posts.

Yeah, pretty much. doubly so when this is the dev team that only after a bunch of pushback and nearly 10 years added basic QOL features like debuff timers on the party list. like it or not, they can and will be just flat out wrong about things, and that's okay, they're human, it's to be expected they occasionally make the decision that's worse for the game's overall health. Sadly, some people on this forum hate the idea that criticism builds a better game and do everything possible to parrot that SE can do no wrong and anyone who thinks otherwise should just quit instead of trying to make a game they enjoy better through healthy discussion of it's flaws and pros

[Mosha]

The weird thing is yoship didnt even call them bad outright and some of the actions taken this expansions continue to prove that the dev team overall doesnt consider them straight evil. He even flat out said he doesnt want report witch hunts.

Yeah, it's a "don't ask don't tell" situation. They want to leave the modding community alone unless some stuff happens that brings the game into disrepute.

[Payadopa]

You cannot speak for everyone and what they care or don't care about. Once you do that, you're already wrong.

And yet you generalise console and PC players. lol

[dspguy]

...until consoles start supporting mods, whether they're designed to or not. Its only a matter of time.

Bingo. It will just create a portion of the playerbase that modifies their console to do the job. When a need is created, people will work on it. Right now, there is limited "need" for modifying a console to cheat in this game... since those players can just go on PC and do it easily.

[PikoAliapoh]

Also comparing RMT-riddled content sales (Ultimates) to tokens that can be bought off the market board (bicolored gemstone vouchers/Wivre) is hilarious.

I'll be here all night, folks.

But seriously, RMT ultimate runs vs 50 million gil MB transactions... Yeah, totally different. No one in this game ever buys 50 million gil to spend on the MB for that stuff. That must be why there's such an absence of RMT bots and chat spammers in XIV. I forgot, sorry.