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  1. #41
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    Ahhh Titanmen, it's been awhile.
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  2. #42
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    Quote Originally Posted by Midareyukki View Post
    Slight correction. Non-binary doesn't negate sex. Gender identity isn't sex, and it's frankly a very dangerous assumption to make. There are connections, naturally, but one does not equal the other. One can be masculine or feminine body-wise, and identify as the other, neither or even both. What you are thinking of is intersex. Not enbies.

    And yeah, proper representation of such realities does lead to higher appreciation and empathy. However, it would require it all to be well done and properly informed. Unfortunately, I don't think a Japanese company is suited for that sort of thing. Gender expression and sexuality are still considered taboo, and are incredibly misunderstood (homosexuality being conflated with gender identity, for example). I don't see Square Enix having a well-informed understanding of the situation to properly convey it. Beyond that, this game needs to be marketed to countries where such topics are considered taboo as well and would likely censor them. Odds are, the game wouldn't be allowed any more, and all this representation for the sake of normalizing it would be moot.

    Unfortunately, we're just going to have to be realistic here. No NPC will likely explore that avenue. There's just no point. It'd either be too forced, added in for the sake of it, and if they chose to explore the concept any further, it'd get into topics and discourse they are not well-equipped to talk about. At that point, it'd be jarring and the game would start going off on a tangent, exploring something that FF14 never really put much weight into.

    Lastly... dang Skiros, didn't you already do this? Get new material for once.
    Thank you for pointing out the correction and making the distinction between sex and gender identity. I appreciate your honesty about the potential challenges Square Enix may face in properly representing trans issues in the game. However, I believe it is possible for them to make a thoughtful and respectful representation by hiring writers or consultants who are knowledgeable and sensitive about these issues. It is important for us to push for representation of marginalized communities in all forms of media, and even more so when the platform is as large as a popular video game. Having thoughtful representation can lead to greater understanding, empathy, and normalization of marginalized experiences.

    While it may be a challenge for Square Enix to fully understand and convey the complexities of trans experiences, it's still possible for them to make an effort. For example, they could work with writers or consultants who have experience and knowledge on these issues to ensure that the representation is done in a respectful and informed manner.

    By including thoughtful representation of trans experiences, Square Enix can help break down taboos and misconceptions about gender identity and sexuality, and promote greater understanding and empathy for trans individuals. This kind of representation could also help create a safer and more welcoming gaming community for trans players.

    Moreover, it's worth remembering that FF14 has a diverse player base from all over the world, and including meaningful representation of trans issues could positively impact many players. It's not only important to consider the Japanese market but also the global market, where many players are likely to appreciate and value such representation.
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  3. #43
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    Quote Originally Posted by Antharaes View Post
    Just my 2 cents, but why is it, that certain groups always and I mean always, try to force real life issues into a fantasy game. We've had this in WoW as well and from what I can remember the conversation didn't end well. You want to be included, I get that. But people use this game and other games to escape from certain real life issues. No, female characters can't have a bulge in this game, nor do male character can have breasts, or even nipples for that matter. Why do you want to have that option at all ? Just use this game as it is supposed to be used, as a fantasy game to escape from real life. Not as a platform for your own agenda.
    The inclusion of trans representation in a video game is not an "agenda". Trans people are a marginalized group that deserve to be seen and recognized in media and society, just like any other group. Representation matters and it helps to break down harmful stereotypes and misconceptions about the trans community.

    Furthermore, video games have always been a reflection of real world issues and ideas. Many popular games have tackled social and political issues, and there's no reason why trans representation should be excluded from that. Trans people are part of the real world, and their experiences and struggles deserve to be acknowledged and depicted in media, including video games.

    Finally, escapism from the stresses of real life is not the same as escaping from trans people. Trans people are not a problem to be escaped from. Trans representation in video games can provide comfort, validation, and representation to trans players who often feel marginalized and invisible in real life. It's important to remember that everyone has the right to be seen and heard, regardless of whether or not their experiences align with someone else's idea of escapism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RitsukoSonoda View Post
    Hmm... feels like it's been awhile since one of these threads popped up... Guessing he's running out of stuff other ppl have posted online to edit into an FFXIV argument...
    It's not productive to immediately dismiss someone's thoughts or ideas just because they may be similar to others that have been discussed before. Every individual's experiences and perspectives are unique and valuable. This essay is an original thought and should be evaluated based on its own merits, rather than its perceived origin. My right to express their thoughts and ideas in a public forum should be respected and not dismissed without consideration.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demolisher View Post
    The inclusion of trans representation in a video game is not an "agenda". Trans people are a marginalized group that deserve to be seen and recognized in media and society, just like any other group. Representation matters and it helps to break down harmful stereotypes and misconceptions about the trans community.

    Furthermore, video games have always been a reflection of real world issues and ideas. Many popular games have tackled social and political issues, and there's no reason why trans representation should be excluded from that. Trans people are part of the real world, and their experiences and struggles deserve to be acknowledged and depicted in media, including video games.

    Finally, escapism from the stresses of real life is not the same as escaping from trans people. Trans people are not a problem to be escaped from. Trans representation in video games can provide comfort, validation, and representation to trans players who often feel marginalized and invisible in real life. It's important to remember that everyone has the right to be seen and heard, regardless of whether or not their experiences align with someone else's idea of escapism.
    The real question you should be focusing on his how many figs can someone eat before they die. This is the important question of humanity now, focus on the now man.
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    Okay boomer.

  7. #47
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    I play FFXIV to just play FFXIV.
    • For a good main and side stories
    • Good or lovable characters
    • Enjoyable PvE content and Raiding
    • Playing my Samurai, rip Kaiten
    • Doing some Glamours and Gpose
    • Community service to help players in PF
    • Housing and collecting stuffies and thingies
    • Relax, unwind, get away from RL headaches
    • Spending time with my friends

    " Representation " of anything just sounds like " forced Political Fill in Blank " that usually doesn't improve the entertainment I get out of what a Game should be to me, which is... well... a Game, not a political platform.

    Then again I could be the weird one. I just wanna play FFXIV to just play FFXIV.
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  8. #48
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    Quote Originally Posted by CelestiCer View Post
    I play FFXIV to just play FFXIV.
    • For a good main and side stories
    • Good or lovable characters
    • Enjoyable PvE content and Raiding
    • Playing my Samurai, rip Kaiten
    • Doing some Glamours and Gpose
    • Community service to help players in PF
    • Housing and collecting stuffies and thingies
    • Relax, unwind, get away from RL headaches
    • Spending time with my friends

    " Representation " of anything just sounds like " forced Political Fill in Blank " that usually doesn't improve the entertainment I get out of what a Game should be to me, which is... well... a Game, not a political platform.

    Then again I could be the weird one. I just wanna play FFXIV to just play FFXIV.
    I understand your perspective and how you might see the inclusion of trans representation as a political issue, but in reality, it's a human issue. It's about acknowledging and respecting the identities and experiences of a marginalized group of people. Video games have always been a form of art that reflects the world we live in and the human experiences that exist within it. Trans representation is just one aspect of this, and it's crucial for those who identify as trans to see themselves represented in the media they consume, including video games.

    Trans representation is not about forcing a political agenda into a game. It's about creating a more diverse and inclusive world within the game. This diversity of representation leads to a better understanding of different experiences and identities, which can lead to greater empathy and understanding in real life. This is particularly important for trans individuals, as they often face discrimination, prejudice, and misunderstanding in their daily lives. Representation in video games can serve as a way to provide visibility and recognition to a community that is often marginalized and erased.

    Moreover, trans representation in video games can be a form of self-expression and validation for those who identify as trans. It allows them to explore their gender identity in a safe and imaginative space, where they can be accepted for who they are. This kind of representation can also serve as a form of education for those who may not understand what it means to be trans. By including trans characters in video games, developers can help to dispel myths and misconceptions about the trans community, while also promoting understanding and acceptance.

    Additionally, trans representation in video games can help to break down the barriers that exist between different communities. By including trans characters in games, developers are sending a message that trans individuals are a valued and important part of society. This kind of representation can help to create a more inclusive and welcoming community, where all players feel valued and respected.

    Trans representation in a game like FFXIV can help to enhance many aspects of the gaming experience. Including trans characters in the main and side stories can help to create more diverse and interesting narratives, with good and lovable characters. Representation of the trans community can also make the PvE content and raiding more enjoyable, as it adds another layer of diversity to the in-game world.

    For players who are interested in playing their Samurai character, or doing some Glamours and Gpose, trans representation can provide even more opportunities for customization and self-expression. Additionally, having a more inclusive and accepting community can help players to feel more comfortable and supported as they engage in these activities.

    For players who use FFXIV as a way to relax, unwind, and get away from real-life headaches, trans representation can be especially important. Seeing diverse characters and storylines can help players to feel more connected to the game and to the community, and can provide a sense of comfort and acceptance that can be hard to find in real life.

    Finally, spending time with friends is one of the best reasons to play FFXIV. Trans representation can help to foster a more welcoming and accepting community, where everyone feels included and valued, regardless of their gender identity. This can help to create a more positive and supportive gaming experience for everyone, and can lead to stronger bonds between players.

    In conclusion, trans representation in FFXIV can help to enhance many aspects of the game, including the main and side stories, characters, PvE content and raiding, customization, community building, and relaxation. Trans representation is not a political issue, but a human one that helps to create a more diverse and accepting gaming community for everyone.
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  9. #49
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demolisher View Post

    Finally, escapism from the stresses of real life is not the same as escaping from trans people. Trans people are not a problem to be escaped from. Trans representation in video games can provide comfort, validation, and representation to trans players who often feel marginalized and invisible in real life. It's important to remember that everyone has the right to be seen and heard, regardless of whether or not their experiences align with someone else's idea of escapism.
    And discomfort for other players, who don't want to be in this world you want to create. It's important to be seen and heard, but that doesn't have to be included in video games. In the real world out there yes, but not in the privacy of our own homes. I couldn't care less whether you're male, female, or an it. And of course this is a personal agenda, why bring it up in the first place.
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    Don't look back, that's not the way you're going.

  10. #50
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    USA.

    Moving on.
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