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    Quote Originally Posted by Ranaku View Post
    No thank you, forced representation is not inclusion. I rather have the devs focus on good character writing instead of having their focus on skin colors or sexualities or genders.

    If you want representation in the game, represent yourself.
    I understand your perspective, but I respectfully disagree with your view that representation of marginalized groups is "forced." Representation matters, and including more visible trans characters in Final Fantasy XIV can help to counteract the marginalization that trans individuals often experience. Representation can also help to provide trans players with a sense of visibility and validation that they may not have felt otherwise.

    Your suggestion that trans individuals "represent themselves" in the game overlooks the reality that many trans individuals face real-world challenges and discrimination that can make it difficult for them to fully express themselves. By including more trans characters, Square Enix can help to create a more accepting and supportive environment for all players, including those who are trans.

    Furthermore, your statement seems to come from a position of privilege and dismisses the importance of representation for marginalized communities. For those who are trans, seeing themselves reflected in media and popular culture can be a powerful and validating experience. By including more trans characters in Final Fantasy XIV, Square Enix can help to promote inclusivity and understanding, and create a more empathetic and supportive online community.

    In conclusion, I believe that representation of marginalized communities is important, and including more visible trans characters in Final Fantasy XIV is a step in the right direction. The game's focus should not just be on "good character writing" but on creating an inclusive and supportive environment for all players, including those who are trans.
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    How many fig bars do you guys think a person could eat before they die? I'm guessing somewhere like 200.
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    Why do I get the feeling this is going to turn into a harry potter and JKR thing?
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    Okay boomer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyrj View Post
    How many fig bars do you guys think a person could eat before they die? I'm guessing somewhere like 200.
    How quickly are they eating them? An hour? A day?
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    Quote Originally Posted by PredatoryCatgirl View Post
    How quickly are they eating them? An hour? A day?
    30 minutes, and you're allowed 2 glasses of water.
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    by creating a focus on those like yourself in the game, you are going to create the exact marginalization IN game that people like you are trying to escape outside of the game.

    Square Enix does what it can to be inclusive. but you essentially want trans people front and center with what might as well amount to a sign pointing at them going "I AM TRANS" which seems to be more of a troll position than one actually concerned about trans rights.

    I think your position is one trying to promote drama where there currently is none, which is not healthy for anyone. it is not a step in the "right direction"

    if you need drama, watch daytime tv, and I believe some of those shows will have trans people you can identify with.
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    Nah we’re good bro. We dont need it pushed on us.
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    This is a world were Fantasias are a thing. There is no Trans. You a man but wanna be a woman? Bam...you ARE a woman. Vice Versa? Done. Wanna flop back and forth every week? Drink up me hearties yo ho!

    Are you wanting NPCs to go? Hey I have a quest for you. BTW I was a man yesterday. Anyway collect 5 leaves for me. I'll be a man again tomorrow!

    That's both annoying and stupid.
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    When you deal with human beings, never count on logic or consistency.

    Fluid like water. Smooth like silk. Pepperoni like pizza.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Renalt View Post
    This is a world were Fantasias are a thing. There is no Trans. You a man but wanna be a woman? Bam...you ARE a woman. Vice Versa? Done. Wanna flop back and forth every week? Drink up me hearties yo ho!

    Are you wanting NPCs to go? Hey I have a quest for you. BTW I was a man yesterday. Anyway collect 5 leaves for me. I'll be a man again tomorrow!

    That's both annoying and stupid.
    Angry Hrothgar noises
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kes13a View Post
    by creating a focus on those like yourself in the game, you are going to create the exact marginalization IN game that people like you are trying to escape outside of the game.

    Square Enix does what it can to be inclusive. but you essentially want trans people front and center with what might as well amount to a sign pointing at them going "I AM TRANS" which seems to be more of a troll position than one actually concerned about trans rights.

    I think your position is one trying to promote drama where there currently is none, which is not healthy for anyone. it is not a step in the "right direction"

    if you need drama, watch daytime tv, and I believe some of those shows will have trans people you can identify with.
    I disagree with your viewpoint that advocating for more visible trans characters in Final Fantasy XIV is a "troll position." Representation matters, and including more trans characters can help to provide a sense of visibility and validation for trans individuals, who often experience marginalization and discrimination. Your suggestion that promoting trans representation will "create the exact marginalization IN game that people like you are trying to escape outside of the game" is misguided and insensitive.

    Furthermore, your statement that trans individuals should "watch daytime TV" for representation is dismissive and hurtful. The idea that trans individuals should settle for representation in daytime TV, rather than in a popular and widely-played game like Final Fantasy XIV, reinforces the marginalization and invisibility that trans individuals often experience.

    Your comment implies that trans individuals should not be seen or heard, and that their experiences and identities are not worth being acknowledged or represented in the game. This is a harmful and insensitive viewpoint, and one that perpetuates discrimination and marginalization.

    In conclusion, representation of marginalized communities, including trans individuals, is important and necessary in order to promote inclusivity and understanding. Advocating for more visible trans characters in Final Fantasy XIV is not a "troll position," but a step towards creating a more empathetic and supportive online community for all players.
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