Is the new Ultimate too hard?

[damnation_]

The top players are having a difficult time progressing in this Ultimate. For a bystander, it feels boring, uninteresting and unfun to see how the top players are progressing. Is it asking too much for a slightly easier and more fun Ultimate? I am sure the Dev team did their best to make this a great Ultimate.
I would like to do this Ultimate but the bar is set very high. I think it will cause a low turn out for people attempting or completing this new Ultimate.
How can we make this a better Ultimate? I cannot wait for the top players review for this fight.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

It's supposed to be hard. That's the point of them

[DiaDeem]

It's supposed to be hard. Wanna watch midcore content? Go watch EX or something. Ultimate is, well... Ultimate.

[Delis]

That's the point. It's suppose to be hard. The people that do them (for the most part) enjoy that they are hard. Once things are figured out and strats get fined tuned it will be a bit easier for those of us that run it afterwards.

[Kes13a]

people have asked for harder content. ultimates are not meant to be done by everyone, but by those that want to invest the time and effort in doing them.

they are not meant for average players. the bar is supposed to be very high.

[RitsukoSonoda]

Is it too hard? Probably not. The issue is people using tools get to a point where they personally cannot play without said tools. Hence why the over reliance on these tools results in degradation of player skills.

[Necrotica]

They do need to figure something out to make them more enjoyable to watch. Not gonna draw people in if it looks miserable. And if it doesn't help bring in new players I cannot see it being worth the dev time involved for how little engagement it gets.

[Deveryn]

They do need to figure something out to make them more enjoyable to watch. Not gonna draw people in if it looks miserable. And if it doesn't help bring in new players I cannot see it being worth the dev time involved for how little engagement it gets.

Ultimate is hardly a selling point, especially given how few ever complete it. It likely falls into the category of labor of love with how little it's actually engaged.

I can't say much about making it more enjoyable to watch as I legit don't enjoy watching much gameplay. I'd rather be playing.

[ForteNightshade]

They do need to figure something out to make them more enjoyable to watch. Not gonna draw people in if it looks miserable. And if it doesn't help bring in new players I cannot see it being worth the dev time involved for how little engagement it gets.

Ultimate is literally the biggest draw FFXIV gets on twitch. Even the MSQ doesn't bring in the numbers Ultimate and Savage World Prog do. It's undeniable Ultimate drew in people from the WoW exodus given that community's penchant for raiding. The engagement also comes from its longevity. Ultimate is among the very few bits of content that lasts almost indefinitely. UCoB is nearly six years old and still be cleared to this very day. Both it and UwU saw massive upswings in participation throughout Covid. Even the less power crept Ultimates like TEA and the very recent Dragonsong have a healthy PF scene relative to their respective difficulty.

It all comes down to what you enjoy. Someone who isn't interested in difficult content will look at the sheer amount of demand Ultimate asks of you and say "Nope! That looks awful". Meanwhile, someone else will look at Euphrosyne or EX5 and think "Wow, this is so boring. It's way too easy." Different strokes for different folks and all that.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

Ultimate is literally the biggest draw FFXIV gets on twitch. Even the MSQ doesn't bring in the numbers Ultimate and Savage World Prog do. It's undeniable Ultimate drew in people from the WoW exodus given that community's penchant for raiding. The engagement also comes from its longevity. Ultimate is among the very few bits of content that lasts almost indefinitely. UCoB is nearly six years old and still be cleared to this very day. Both it and UwU saw massive upswings in participation throughout Covid. Even the less power crept Ultimates like TEA and the very recent Dragonsong have a healthy PF scene relative to their respective difficulty.

It all comes down to what you enjoy. Someone who isn't interested in difficult content will look at the sheer amount of demand Ultimate asks of you and say "Nope! That looks awful". Meanwhile, someone else will look at Euphrosyne or EX5 and think "Wow, this is so boring. It's way too easy." Different strokes for different folks and all that.

I've been playing this game since 2010 and the only times I've ever watched it on twitch are live letters and my close friend if he's in a fight h haven't cleared.





Watching random people on twitch play the same game I'm logged into is just unappealing. Maybe it's an age gap thing.